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    Machine Takes on Sword Master

    I did not only want to share this because of how awesome it is, but as well as how scary this is. Not the type of fear one might have by looking at a spider, but speculating fear, one of realization of technological advances.

    I watched this video several times, and each time was I more and more surprised. A programmable machine that mastered an old art of combat and skill. This would take a man his whole life, constantly studying and training to even ever achieve any close results.
    Check it out.
    http://youtu.be/O3XyDLbaUmU

    Thoughts? Feel free to post more machines in this type of format.
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    Re: Machine Takes on Sword Master

    While a sword machine may have skill, it does not know when to fight, nor when to give way or offer mercy to a worthy opponent.
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    Re: Machine Takes on Sword Master

    Very cute.

    Show me a machine that can do something other than cut and I'll be more impressed.
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    Re: Machine Takes on Sword Master

    I wouldn't say by any stretch of it that the machine has mastered anything. It is simply mimicking the movements made by man, and in fact needed additional help from man because it could not made adjustments to it's own set program (Slicing the bean pod - they had to stop and re-calibrate the height of the object and the held blade before doing it). Granted, it's precision is greater, but babies and very young children can do the exact same thing, mirroring and echoing the actions of someone they are watching. Now, if it can take those movements, compile them, and then perform an unique kata or respond to an ever-changing environment, then I would be impressed.

    Even then, just back away from it, circle around, and cut the power cord ...

    Now, THIS, on the other hand, is super impressive: a man capable of slicing a pellet in mid-air as it is being fired at him from a gun.

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    Ahh that.. I saw it already. Very nice.
    I'm glad this machine doesn't have its own brain.. Otherwise those who stood in its way would be in seeerious trouble.
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    Re: Machine Takes on Sword Master

    Quote Originally Posted by Munin-Hugin View Post
    I wouldn't say by any stretch of it that the machine has mastered anything...Now, if it can take those movements, compile them, and then perform an unique kata or respond to an ever-changing environment, then I would be impressed.

    Even then, just back away from it, circle around, and cut the power cord ...
    Exactly - the first thing it will need is two leg and two feet. Step forward, step back. Step right, step left. Circle. Big steps, small steps, side steps. It will also need two arms, and be able to coordinate infinite arm movements with feet movements. It will need a waist so it can twist, bend, and extend. To do all of these things at the same time, it will need excellent balance.

    Those things are, potentially, doable in a machine. Not today or in the near future, but some day (if expense vs. utility ever warrants the development).

    But then you get into the hard stuff - the A.I.

    Your fighting machine will need to be programmed with all possible moves, and counter moves (doable. Very complex, but doable). Somehow, it will have to be programmed to tell the difference between a feint, a hard feint, a soft feint, an attack, a hard attack, a soft attack, and a tentative attack (this is where humans have problems, and need a good dose of luck to survive, so you might also have to figure out how to program it to be "lucky").

    Should that be accomplished, the machine will need to be programmed to be unprogrammed - to think and act independently of it's programming - because "programmed" means "predictable," and predictable, in a fight, is suicidal.

    If all of this can be done, the machine might be effective in the non-martial (i.e.: stylized, not fight-to-the-death) sport version of Asian "martial" arts, but, put it up against REAL martial arts, where their are no "rules," other than "survive," and incorporate fists, elbows, head butts, knee jams, joint destruction, and all the other nasties that are no-no's in polite "fighting," and the complexity has been increased to infinite.

    Infinite possibilities are not programmable. They are only learnable via long, long, long practice...

    The sword wielding machine is basically a fancy table saw.
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    Re: Machine Takes on Sword Master

    Quote Originally Posted by Tylluan Penry View Post
    While a sword machine may have skill, it does not know when to fight, nor when to give way or offer mercy to a worthy opponent.
    I wonder what we do when we've made this...it will happen one day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    I wonder what we do when we've made this...it will happen one day.
    We already have them. They are called "autonomous drones."

    Welcome to the future!
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    Re: Machine Takes on Sword Master

    Quote Originally Posted by Munin-Hugin View Post
    I wouldn't say by any stretch of it that the machine has mastered anything. It is simply mimicking the movements made by man, and in fact needed additional help from man because it could not made adjustments to it's own set program (Slicing the bean pod - they had to stop and re-calibrate the height of the object and the held blade before doing it). Granted, it's precision is greater, but babies and very young children can do the exact same thing, mirroring and echoing the actions of someone they are watching. Now, if it can take those movements, compile them, and then perform an unique kata or respond to an ever-changing environment, then I would
    This is an exact point though, and something to be stressed; this machine is still in its baby steps. Just wait till the technology processing its movements mature

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    Very cute.

    Show me a machine that can do something other than cut and I'll be more impressed.
    There is a machine that you own that has a database of infinit knowledge. You're reading this comment from its screen. The possibilities are limitless.
    "In the shade now tall forms are advancing,
    And their wan hands like snowflakes in the moonlight are gleaming;
    They beckon, they whisper, 'Oh! strong armed in valor,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norse_Angel View Post
    This is an exact point though, and something to be stressed; this machine is still in its baby steps. Just wait till the technology processing its movements mature
    Actually, robotic arms that can execute a limited set of precise, pre-programmed movements have been used in industry for 40 years. The only new twist here is that the limited set of precise, pre-programmed movements incorporates a sword, instead of a built-in screwdriver.

    This is much, much, mucho much more impressive:

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ae06LFa3i38
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