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    Re: The female identity in the bible.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shekhinah

    Is actually a pretty good article on the subject of the feminine aspects of the Judeo-Christian God, known by most Christians as the Holy Spirit

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    Re: The female identity in the bible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nue View Post
    I second this, though for some reason some verions take her out entirely
    In the oldest of the Tanakh Scrolls, the only mention of the Lilitu is found in the Book of Isaiah making reference to the dwellings of the Lilitu, which were demons who would kill children and harm pregnant mothers. Tess Dawson on her website canaanitepath.com(for some reason I am not allowed to post links yet) makes some great point from many scholars in regards to Lilith from a Canaanite perspective on the topic of the recent Lilith explosion happening in the last 40+years.

    Tess Dawson wrote "In popular thought today, Lilith is often viewed as a misunderstood dark goddess of sexuality, but this simply is not true in ancient lore. There was no male conspiracy that demonized a poor, misunderstood Lilith just because she was a strong female. She is not a poster-child for sexual discrimination, women's rights, or sexuality. She does not hearken back to a fictitious era when matriarchy was the rule, and she is not a part of a secret, forgotten mythology that patriarchy distorted.
    Lilith is best known now from Jewish lore in the Talmud as the woman who refused to lie beneath Adam. Before she was cast as this character, she was known in Jewish lore as a demon--not as a liberated woman. The only "male conspiracy" here is not a smear on Lilith's character since she was evil from the beginning, but that she--known earlier as a demon--was deliberately cast in the role of Adam's rebellious first wife.

    Before she was known as Adam's first wife, she may first appear as the demon Lilitu in Sumerian lore around 2400 BCE. A Bronze Age fragment of a text written in Akkadian was found in Ugarit: this text mentions Lamashtu, and describes her as a wolf. The characters of Assyrian Lilitu and Babylonian Lamashtu or Lamashshu may have been absorbed into each other to become known as the same entity by the Middle Babylonian period (circa 1150-900 BCE). Lamashtu, a daughter of Anu, was thought to cause illness in babies and small children; Lilitu was also thought to harm babies and children. (Anu is a Sumerian god of the heavens and the king of his pantheon.)

    Later ideas of Lilith may also have been influenced by images of the Greek lamiae and the Roman striga."

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    Re: The female identity in the bible.

    As an anti-spam measure links are restricted till after you've made 15 non-game, non-intro posts (game and intro are defined by subforum in this case). Under normal conditions, I'd probably kill off the quasi-link in your post but it sounds relevant to the topic and historically I've allowed exceptions there. Plus you've gone on a posting spree and if you haven't passed the threshold by the time I'm done typing, you will soon.
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    Re: The female identity in the bible.

    Thank you for the information, MaskedOne.

    On another note to topic, the name of Mary/Miryam/Miriam, as they are all the same name in Hebrew all translate to mean "Rebellion."
    So, the Christian Theotokos, the Mother of God Mary, and the woman who was considered the thirteenth Apostle Mary of Magdala are all named "Rebellion."

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    Re: The female identity in the bible.

    Quote Originally Posted by AntonBRaxas View Post
    Thank you for the information, MaskedOne.

    On another note to topic, the name of Mary/Miryam/Miriam, as they are all the same name in Hebrew all translate to mean "Rebellion."
    So, the Christian Theotokos, the Mother of God Mary, and the woman who was considered the thirteenth Apostle Mary of Magdala are all named "Rebellion."
    The etymology of the name Miriam is fairly ambiguous.
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    Re: The female identity in the bible.

    True. However, from an unusually large amount of Judaic sources in reference to the names Miriam and Mary, most often than not, the Rabbinical intention is to apply the definition to mean "rebellion." The Rabbinical basis is usually in regards to the bias against the Christian Theotokos, which surprisingly many admit.

    But you are correct in the ambiguity, as the traditional meanings are mostly lost in the ages. Much can be said of the name Rivkah, my second oldest daughter's name which translates modern day to mean "Unfettered, unbound beauty" but can also mean "relentless."
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    Re: The female identity in the bible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Azvanna View Post
    Today I was considering how the female identity is portrayed in the Bible. I couldn't think of an example of a sacred story where the female was presented in any other way apart from her attachment to a male. For example, Esther was championed as a hero of her generation among preachers when I was a teenager. They would talk about an "Esther generation" who were willing to take risks for the sake of the gospel, but even she was simply taking orders from her Uncle Mordecai. Ruth is another one, though the success of her story depends on her becoming the bride of Boaz. Can anyone think of any tales where the female is celebrated out of her own right? It might be a theme too out of context of the culture.

    There may not be stories of particular individuals, but there might be attributes you can think of that are given a feminine pronoun. For example, Wisdom.
    I would encourage you to examine Qabbalistic texts for a wealth or empowering feminine figures and concepts assigned a feminine aspect. There are far too many for me to delve into at present, but as has already been touched upon here (I believe), the feminine "presence" of "God" (the Shekhinah) is perhaps at the forefront of my thoughts on the matter.

    For your reading list, if you like:

    On The Wings of the Shekhinah: Rediscovering Judaism's Divine Feminine by Rabbi Leah Novick

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    Re: The female identity in the bible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Torey View Post
    I would encourage you to examine Qabbalistic texts for a wealth or empowering feminine figures and concepts assigned a feminine aspect. There are far too many for me to delve into at present, but as has already been touched upon here (I believe), the feminine "presence" of "God" (the Shekhinah) is perhaps at the forefront of my thoughts on the matter.

    For your reading list, if you like:

    On The Wings of the Shekhinah: Rediscovering Judaism's Divine Feminine by Rabbi Leah Novick
    This right here is what PF is about: A Theistic Satanist is helping a Christian to grow in her faith.

    I will buy that book, Torey. I hate buying books because I have too many already and am really stingy. lol. But I'll buy this one.

    I had forgotten about women being the first to proclaim 'He is risen!' I can't believe that.. I think I have mentioned it on these boards at least twice. I know that in the Hebrew culture of the time, a woman's word could not be considered a trustworthy testimony. However, I really believe that when the women were chosen to be the first to proclaim 'he is risen,' it was an affirming of the worth of a woman's testimony.

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    Re: The female identity in the bible.

    not precicely on topic, *and* I haven't read it, but this looks interesting....
    “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

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    Bought this book today ^.^ Found it for just over $24. XD

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