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    Re: The Snake- A symbol of good or of evil? What do you think?

    I tend to think people forget that the snake is also both chthonic and fertility as well. It's chthonic in that is lives beneath the soil or is presumed to live beneath the soil which connects it to both the underworld, the land of the dead and to the fertility aspects of things growing in the darkness. It's fertility in it's capacity to grow from one stage to another even though the stage is also shedding of its old skin to create a new skin.

    It's also fertility and power over death in the aspect that many times it will vanish beneath the soil to become dead for periods of time then to be reborn. So it has power over life and death and is reborn both in shadow and in light. Due to it's death and rebirth it is sort of a liminal creature in that it is both of the land and shadow as well as the light which sort of suggests it is outside the influence of the sun and moon.

    Not sure i'd equate the split tongue to two paths as much as two truths are always spoken. Granted one truth is always more truthful or correct than the other but both are truthful depending upon the hearer. That I think is what tied it to the early church and being tossed down by God for deceiving Adam and Eve. Yet if you look to the old medical symbols then you see it's power over life and death and rebirth.
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    Re: The Snake- A symbol of good or of evil? What do you think?

    I just want to say that snakes have forked tongues because they have two vermonasal organs--it gives their ability to sense three dimensionality, sort of like if one ear is stopped up and you can't hear as well in it, its harder to sense where sound is coming from. Just subsitute sound for "ability to detect chemicals" (this is separate from taste and smell abilities). And I totally think that has something to teach us.
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    Re: The Snake- A symbol of good or of evil? What do you think?

    From what I've read, it's both. Snakes both protected Ra and were also against him. I still try to avoid snakes, they give me the creeps.. Brr....

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    If you're looking into snake Netjeru in Kemetism, then I suggest Wadjet. I haven't encountered any negative data about her. Besides she seems to be Ra's protector. But it's only my assumption.
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    Re: The Snake- A symbol of good or of evil? What do you think?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gleb View Post
    From what I've read, it's both. Snakes both protected Ra and were also against him. I still try to avoid snakes, they give me the creeps.. Brr....

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    If you're looking into snake Netjeru in Kemetism, then I suggest Wadjet. I haven't encountered any negative data about her. Besides she seems to be Ra's protector. But it's only my assumption.
    Right, becuase on the side of evil there was Apep, and on the side of good weren't there winged snakes that surrounded the sunboat and protected Ra? I could swear I read about that somewhere.

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    Oh and thank you for the suggestion, I'll look into that :3
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    Re: The Snake- A symbol of good or of evil? What do you think?

    If one remembers in the Bible the snake was the mark of a healer..The cadusa the two snakes wrapped around the winged pole.



    I think this is where the bible one comes from.

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    A similar symbol, Nehushtan, is mentioned in the Bible in Numbers 21:4–9. Attacked by a plague of snakes in the wilderness, Moses holds up a serpent coiled around a staff, both made from bronze, so that the Israelites might recover from the bites.

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    Re: The Snake- A symbol of good or of evil? What do you think?

    Quote Originally Posted by CrystalJackal View Post
    Right, becuase on the side of evil there was Apep, and on the side of good weren't there winged snakes that surrounded the sunboat and protected Ra? I could swear I read about that somewhere.

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    Oh and thank you for the suggestion, I'll look into that :3
    Makes sense. I don't know about WINGED snakes but I'm certain there were snakes that protected Ra. You know, Apep wasn't originally evil. He became evil after Ra created earth and the other Netjeru. Then there was no need for Apep who lost his role of protecting Ra from everything.
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    Re: The Snake- A symbol of good or of evil? What do you think?

    To me snakes represent both good and evil. I have always been fascinated by them, especially pythons and larger snakes.
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    Re: The Snake- A symbol of good or of evil? What do you think?

    Personally, I think the use of snakes to represent Apep/isfet is a poor use, because snakes have an order to them. They eat, drink, eliminate waste, mate, and die like every other living creature. I think a more appropriate representation would be an empty void, as isfet is not just chaos, but complete and utter un-creation.

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    Re: The Snake- A symbol of good or of evil? What do you think?

    Quote Originally Posted by LearningMan View Post
    Personally, I think the use of snakes to represent Apep/isfet is a poor use, because snakes have an order to them. They eat, drink, eliminate waste, mate, and die like every other living creature. I think a more appropriate representation would be an empty void, as isfet is not just chaos, but complete and utter un-creation.
    Good point. One more thing that came to my mind that can be used for snakes' advantage is their use in massage clinics. You come in, lay down on your stomach and the masseur, or masseuse puts snakes on your back. I haven't tried it, but the idea sounds interesting.

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    People said they had a good time with the snakes on their backs.
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    Re: The Snake- A symbol of good or of evil? What do you think?

    To me the snake can be both a good and bad symbol, like most things, it's all in the use of it.

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