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    #2
    Re: Making an Elixir the right way

    I just realized that i should probably add this -

    I wrote that: " At worst, it won't be any more harmful than the herb you originally used."

    This is true, but not exactly. If the herb you are using has even mildly toxic properties, there will be no more in the elixir than there was in the original herb materisl. However, since you have removed the plants chemistry from it's original physical matrix (the plant), you have changed the rate at which the body will absorb it. This means that a mild dose of a toxin which could be easily dealt with by the body because it is released from the plant by digestion over a longer period of time is now entering into the body much faster, and could cause problems.

    The same problem occurs with any process which involves extracting material from a plant.

    Use your head. Don't eat poisons. I usually go through this process with common garden mint, which seems to be pretty safe.
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      #3
      Re: Making an Elixir the right way

      Nice, very nice.
      Still I have a question - I guess every herb is used for different elixirs, like love one probably needs something specific, a beauty one needs different. In different traditions different herbs are used for different purposes like cinnamon in Wicca, Witchcraft and some others is used in prosperity and money rituals, still in some eastern traditions, cinnamon is used in love and lust rituals.
      So anyway, how do Alchemists use the herbs?
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        #4
        Re: Making an Elixir the right way

        Well, first off, Alchemy is an experimental art, so there was a lot of experimentation going on, based on several different theories. However, I want to point out that Alchemists did not use double blind studies, so a lot of their theories about plant medicine were wrong, or dangerous, or both. However, when they were using herbs that had long traditions of being used for some purpose, they were dealing with something that was more likely to be at least somewhat effective, so they probably did better.

        This one, along with the "doctrine of signatures" (the idea that plants are "marked" by their appearance to indicate their medical purpose - a kidney bean looks like a kidney, so it's good for the kidney) is probably the most common:

        When you look at an old fashioned herbal, or one which lists the "magical" properties of herbs, you will find that plants are given correspondences to dieties, planets, days, and hours. Here's an example of one I found on the internet (I don't necessarily endorse this site - I don't do much herb work): http://www.alchemy-works.com/planeta...esp.html?58,37

        A deity would tell you what kind of... uhm... life situation a herb would help, for instance, love - Venus, courage - Mars.

        The planets ruled over certain parts of the body, so a herb which corresponded to planet which corresponded to an afflicted body part would be used to treat that body part.

        The days and hours tell you what day, and time of day that planet has the most influence over the plant - that would be the time when the plant is "strongest," so that's when the Alchemist would pick it.

        You can mix this up with the idea of the four humors, and/or the idea that certain plants exhibit qualities which are referred to as hot (fire), cold (water), dry (earth), moist (water), with ideas of creating "balance," and you'll have the general idea.
        Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.

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          #5
          Help Making Wet Potions

          I have always been pretty bad at these. I don't know where to start! Is there a trick to it? I have ingredients (herbs and stones and such) but do they require something more? What kind of oils should I use? How should I prepare them? What viscosity is appropriate?

          Has anyone successfully made a potion that was safe to drink? I really like to partake of my potions, but I'm a potion fool so I stick to the dry ones I know I can smoke.

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            #6
            Re: Help Making Wet Potions

            If you plan on ingesting then use vodka. Read up on how to make a tincture and it should give you a good base to start out on

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              #7
              Re: Help Making Wet Potions

              [quote author=Amber link=topic=1210.msg22920#msg22920 date=1292528103]
              If you plan on ingesting then use vodka...[/quote]

              Or Everclear, but be sure to dilute the final potion down before you drink it or you'll burn your throat.

              A lot of people will add honey to make it more palatable to swallow, particularly when the herbs are bitter. Essentially, when you do this, you're making a liqueur, like you might by in the liquor store. It's surprising how many drinks - from absinthe to benedictine - started out their life as medicine.

              Essentially, add the herbs to the alcohol and keep it in a sealed jar - a mason jar works well. Let them soak for a time period - a week, or a month... generally, the more dense the plant material you are working with, the longer you want it to soak. Leaves can go for a month, but woody material or roots might take 6 months or a year.

              You'll want to try to remember to shake it up at least once a week, every day is better. Also, keeping it in a warm place (around body temperature) will speed up the process of extracting the good stuff from the herbs.

              If you do add honey or sugar, add it after all the soaking is done, then let it sit with the honey or sugar in it for a week or so before using it. This tends to smooth out the flavor.

              Needless to say, be very careful about the herbs you use if you intend to ingest it - an extract is stronger than the original herb used plain because it's concentrated, and also because more of the herb's chemistry hits your system all at once than it would if you were digesting the raw herbs. This means that chemicals which might be easily metabolized by your body over a longer time period from the use of raw herbs won't be metabolized at the same rate, and fairly benign herbs can become somewhat more dangerous.

              If you want to try something more complex, (there are)* some instructions on making an elixir (in this thread)*

              *I merged the threads
              ~thal
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                #8
                Re: Help Making Wet Potions

                Really need to post the alchemy notes lol... perhaps I'll do that within the next day off if nothing else comes up.

                The blend of how many parts of what herb to use is planetary based. Those that are moon associated can't be mixed with sun or mars, but others mix well (fire and water can't be mixed). I try to keep it under 7, 4 preferred. Figure the aspects you want, determine the planet associated with it, find herbs/stones/bones/oils/resins under that planet that have the aspects you want, work the parts so it's in the balance you want, grind and mix.

                This method can be applied to cooking as well as teas, incenses, perfumes, elixirs, oils, etc.

                Those made with oils, bone and stones can be applied to the skin at pulse points instead of ingested to have the same magickal effects.
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                  #9
                  Re: Help Making Wet Potions

                  [quote author=Amber link=topic=1210.msg22920#msg22920 date=1292528103]
                  If you plan on ingesting then use vodka. Read up on how to make a tincture and it should give you a good base to start out on
                  [/quote]

                  i have this great wet potion to celebrate bracchus. take a bottle of vodka. drink

                  in regards to making wet potions vodka was my best friend (actually even in non-regards to potion making, vodka is still a good friend) soaking edible herbs in vodka and making lots of quick tinctures and then storing and mixing appropriately to get desired magical effect
                  But mummy the other religions dont have to 'an it harm none'

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                    #10
                    Re: Help Making Wet Potions

                    [quote author=Amber link=topic=1210.msg22920#msg22920 date=1292528103]
                    If you plan on ingesting then use vodka. Read up on how to make a tincture and it should give you a good base to start out on
                    [/quote]

                    I totally second this.

                    If I was at home, I'd post better info out of my herbal, or at least some links from my bookmarks...but I'm not, and my connection is too slow to do a good google of my fave sites.

                    Also, wine makes a good infusion for certain herbal mixes. Not that they are always incredibly tasty, but if you do it right, they can be incredibly effective. Muscato+lavender+chamomile=excellent relaxation; Pomegrante licquor+damiana+cardamom+hibiscus=get it on :-*, etc



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                      #11
                      Re: Help Making Wet Potions

                      Any way to do this without alcohol?
                      Circe

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                        #12
                        Re: Help Making Wet Potions

                        [quote author=Corvus link=topic=1210.msg23222#msg23222 date=1292640252]
                        Any way to do this without alcohol?
                        [/quote]

                        There are always water infusions, but these typically work best with leaves and flowers. Roots and barks are better decocted - that is, simmered gently over time rather than steeped in hot water - or macerated (steeped for a number of days in cold water), depending on the material. I've never heard of infusing resins, but I could be wrong on this one.

                        Basic infusions are pretty simple. Just add your herbs to a teapot or some other appropriate sealed container and pour near-boiling water over them, seal the container and let sit for at least 15 minutes before straining.

                        Any infusion or tincture made from edible (read: non-poisonous) plant material can be ingested.
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                          #13
                          Re: Help Making Wet Potions

                          or you can make tea (with holy water, lol) from some herbs. just make sure it isn't dangerous to drink.
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                            #14
                            Re: Help Making Wet Potions

                            [quote author=ghosthaunter link=topic=1210.msg23261#msg23261 date=1292669898]
                            or you can make tea (with holy water, lol) from some herbs. just make sure it isn't dangerous to drink.
                            [/quote]

                            "tea" is the common name for an infusion...but technically, its a specific infusion of the tea plant


                            ...but I have a whole list of herbal preparations from decoctions to tinctures to oil infusions, floral waters, etc here as well as on my blog
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                              #15
                              Re: Help Making Wet Potions

                              These are all great, thank you!

                              So what oils should I use in case I DON'T want to ingest the potion?

                              And what is the difference between a tincture and a potion?
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