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    Re: The Rant Thread (v 1.2)

    Quote Originally Posted by anubisa View Post
    I don't know why my views are deemed wrong and when I make positive suggestions I get rebuked. I feel like I'm basically being told to shut up. I feel that if you have an opinion then you should be able to express it. This whole issue is just giving me negative feelings, like there is a cloud hanging around me. What did I do to deserve such a negative reaction?
    If this is in reference to the race discussion over in thinking about, then plain and simple, black people get tired of being talked over by white people. White people need to learn to shut up and listen. Your opinion isn't more important or more valid than a black person's when it comes to issues of race. In fact, as white people, our opinions on the matter are inherently invalid because we benefit from a society that gives us privileges which biases us, often subconsciously, but sometimes consciously, against black people. Id think about why you feel the need to invalidate black voices in this issue.
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    Re: The Rant Thread (v 1.2)

    Quote Originally Posted by Shahaku View Post
    If this is in reference to the race discussion over in thinking about, then plain and simple, black people get tired of being talked over by white people. White people need to learn to shut up and listen. Your opinion isn't more important or more valid than a black person's when it comes to issues of race. In fact, as white people, our opinions on the matter are inherently invalid because we benefit from a society that gives us privileges which biases us, often subconsciously, but sometimes consciously, against black people. Id think about why you feel the need to invalidate black voices in this issue.
    Respectfully, I want to introduce a more nuanced view here.

    Anybody is entirely right in condemning the rioting. It is dangerous, destructive, wasteful, and enormously counterproductive (in that it muddies an issue that is so much better to deal with when the sides are clear, before the insertion of mass violence).

    But not understanding the real and present experiential issues that minorities endure in both generational and current life is also flawed. Without taking the life experiences of "the other" into consideration it is impossible to make sense of the current breakout of violence. And making sense of it is vital to finding a lasting resolution.

    In regards to the prejudice of Americans, it has been my experience that, in all cases where prejudice is possible (a tricky way of saying "in all cases") the less prejudice one believes oneself to be, the greater the prejudice the person displays.

    Why? Because prejudice is a biologically programmed survival mechanism. As such, it operates primarily at a subconscious level. Unless one is willing to admit that the prejudice exists, and put the psychic effort into dragging it into the light so it can be dealt with conciously, it will continue to operate invisibly in each human.

    I think everybody here is familiar with the idea of "confronting the shadow." This concept is not something that exists only in the lala land of quasi-mystical woo-woo. It is extremely practical and must be applied to regular daily life.

    What I have described in terms of dealing with one's natural and inherent prejudice (above) is one example of the practicality of "confronting the shadow."
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    Re: The Rant Thread (v 1.2)

    All Lives Matter is complete bullcrap if people think that Black Lives Matter is completely irrelevant to them.

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    Re: The Rant Thread (v 1.2)

    thing is if we cannot overcome this issue in our society there will not be any lives to be concerned about as our country may end up as just a burned out hulk of what it was supposed to be a bastion of freedom and connection for all of its citizens not a place ruled by repression and the power of the gun as opposed to to the power of love and connection of everyone as brothers and sisters of a true democracy and a enlightened shining city on that fabled hill
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    Re: The Rant Thread (v 1.2)

    The whole thing with "all lives matter" is Whataboutism. On my local news sites, whenever someone posts the Covid numbers, someone will say it doesn't kill as many as abortion does. Always some comparison to something that is NOT the topic. Of course all lives DO matter - but at the moment we're talking about a specific life or group of lives. Their egos have to make it be about them and their interests, all the time, every time. Somewhere along the line, that biblical thing about how "God so loved the world..." became "God so loved me and only me". It's frustrating.

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    Re: The Rant Thread (v 1.2)

    The biblical god was always an ethnocentric deity, the christian revision simply created another chosen race - while rejecting the previous one.

    They're not doing it wrong. That's a fiction that we tell ourselves to reduce the dissonance of christian detail as it sits out of place in our contemporary world.

    I feel like I'm filling up my quota of bad news this am. I just think that it's important that we realize that no appeal to the christian sensibilities of the people opposed to equality will work. Equality is our thing. Othering and demonization is a feature of their belief in vicarious redemption, not a bug. You're either with them, or in hell.

    Jesus explains this perfectly well in the parable of the healing of a canaanite woman's daughter. She pleads for his mercy, and he asks her why he should waste a miracle on a dog. He only agrees to do so after she makes a self deprecating joke about her tribe, herself, and her daughter that re-enforces the bigotry of the author.
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    Re: The Rant Thread (v 1.2)

    Customers, if you think that a retail employee is following you around the store then in 99/100 cases, one of two things is true.
    1) The employee has a job that involves traveling the store so you see a lot of them. This has nothing to do with you.
    2) The store (not that lone employee) believes you're up to something shady and management has directed people to keep an eye on you.

    Employees think that you are a biblical plague masquerading as a human. They don't want to be near you more than is necessary to do their job. Nobody decides, "That's a thief. Instead of informing a manager and getting every pair of eyes in the store on them, I'm going to do the stupid-ass thing and individually stalk them while neglecting my other tasks w/o manager approval." If you feel employees are following you then ask, "Am I doing something suspicious as ****?" If the answer to this question is no, then see scenario 1 above because you are not interesting enough for us to follow without manager direction.
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    Re: The Rant Thread (v 1.2)

    People really need this pandemic seriously because some idiots are saying that the coronavirus is fake and the pandemic is a scam. Like is this the case then why are 100,000 people in the United States are dying. Not so fake now huh.

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    Cold comfort, but the people contending that covid is a scam are the same demographic as the people most likely to die from covid - and therefore be unable to say as much ever again.

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    Re: The Rant Thread (v 1.2)

    Let's fly the flag of scum who would have split the Union so they could continue to keep people as property on Independence Day.

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