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    #46
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    The problem with D is that too many people are ignorant* and therefore paranoid.


    *I'm not saying this as an insult to their intelligence, I'm saying that general things that people used to know about have become so specialized that they are unrecognizable outside of their field.



    ....but in this particular instance, there are about a gazillion things the school and police should have looked at and done before they freaked out... And yeah, the local girl that got expelled (later rescinded) for *taking away a razor blade* from a girl trying hurt hersle in the school bathroom aside and turning it in to the school aside (my point being that we overreact a lot), if you look at statistics concerning disciplinary actions and how schools handle kids, there is a huge institutional bias. And, as the parent of an ADHD student whose best friend is black (he also has ADHD0, I can attest to the difference if how the kids have been treated (and Sharkbait's buddy is adorable and a riot)--with Sharkbait, the assumption is almost always that he's trying and doing his best to be and do good...with his friend, less so. Anecdotal, yes...but if really excellent and aware teachers do this (this year's teachers are great), what about ones that aren't?

    Put it this way....whether the problem is "real" (actually caused by his race and religion" ir not, it irrelevent. The fact that there are people in the general public that have defended the actions of the school and the police on the basis of the kids ethnic and religious background should be enough evidence that culturally, there is a problem ...and, if you research the city gov't of this town, it seems to start at the top, so yeah' I buy the idea that racism had a role in not giving this child the same benefit of the doubt that other children would have gotten.
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      #47
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      Huh. I guess I am blessed by working in the only school in America where the teachers & administrators are even half way decent.

      Odd, considering it is such a red neck town.

      But I have been presented with overwhelming evidence of bad behavior, so I will shut up now.
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        #48
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        So I read a few news articles to get the gist of what really happened. So I went straight to the Texas news. The Dallas news.

        Kid was in a robotics club in middle school.
        Kid wants to make something to show his skills in the new high school.
        Kid shows clock to his Engineering teacher (didn't see that coming, huh)
        Teacher says don't show it to any other teachers. *apparently engineer teacher is a horrible teacher who doesn't give a flying f about student safety, right?
        Kid keeps clock in backback.
        it beeps.
        Teacher wants to know what's up.
        Kid shows teacher the clock.
        Teacher says it doesn't look like a clock (at this point teacher assumed it's a bomb)
        So what does teacher do with said bomb? Just holds on to it. This teacher also doesn't give a shit about student safety.
        Kid gets carted away (I guess by now dumb adults realize it's not a bomb, or you know EVACUATE the fucking building already)
        Police question the kid. Ask what it is.
        Kid says it's a clock
        Police don't believe him.
        They were skeptical because he just kept saying it was a clock.
        Because, you know....it was.

        These people need Jesus.

        F everything about these adults and their mistakes.
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          #49
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          I also think people have been brainwashed by the images of bombs in Movies. If it blinks or beeps it must be a bomb...but video games also blink and beep...
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            #50
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            We'll it will be alright now he got an invite to the White House.
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              #51
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              In City collage electronics one guy did a special project...a Binary clock. A Binary clock is read like binary notation... like this 10011010

              and a pic.


              Kind of a nerds toy...but you get the picture

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                #52
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                Originally posted by Medusa View Post
                So I read a few news articles to get the gist of what really happened. So I went straight to the Texas news. The Dallas news.

                Kid was in a robotics club in middle school.
                Kid wants to make something to show his skills in the new high school.
                Kid shows clock to his Engineering teacher (didn't see that coming, huh)
                Teacher says don't show it to any other teachers. *apparently engineer teacher is a horrible teacher who doesn't give a flying f about student safety, right?
                Kid keeps clock in backback.
                it beeps.
                Teacher wants to know what's up.
                Kid shows teacher the clock.
                Teacher says it doesn't look like a clock (at this point teacher assumed it's a bomb)
                So what does teacher do with said bomb? Just holds on to it. This teacher also doesn't give a shit about student safety.
                Kid gets carted away (I guess by now dumb adults realize it's not a bomb, or you know EVACUATE the fucking building already)
                Police question the kid. Ask what it is.
                Kid says it's a clock
                Police don't believe him.
                They were skeptical because he just kept saying it was a clock.
                Because, you know....it was.

                These people need Jesus.

                F everything about these adults and their mistakes.
                That's what I figured happened. =( Disgusting.

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                  #53
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                  Could this allllll how been shut down if the engineering teacher came and vouched for the kid that it was a clock.

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                    #54
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                    Ahmed was still suspended until today (Thursday.)

                    Silly bloody school. Here is Tylluan's advice for them. When in a hole, stop digging.
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                      #55
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                      The boy was never arrested. He was detained to ascertain the threat. He was released from custody without charges being filed. No Arrest, no foul. The police in this country can detain you for 72 hours without charges. You do have the right to ask if you are being charged and if not you have the right to leave. The boy was ignorant of the law and his rights. He could have asked for his parents or a lawyer at ant time.

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                        #56
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                        Originally posted by DragonsFriend View Post
                        The boy was never arrested. He was detained to ascertain the threat. He was released from custody without charges being filed. No Arrest, no foul. The police in this country can detain you for 72 hours without charges. You do have the right to ask if you are being charged and if not you have the right to leave. The boy was ignorant of the law and his rights. He could have asked for his parents or a lawyer at ant time.

                        The police have no obligation to tell you your rights unless they are charging you with a crime.
                        Sorry a 14 year old kid isn't Judge Judy.
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                          #57
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                          Originally posted by DragonsFriend View Post
                          The boy was never arrested. He was detained to ascertain the threat. He was released from custody without charges being filed. No Arrest, no foul. The police in this country can detain you for 72 hours without charges. You do have the right to ask if you are being charged and if not you have the right to leave. The boy was ignorant of the law and his rights. He could have asked for his parents or a lawyer at ant time.

                          The police have no obligation to tell you your rights unless they are charging you with a crime.
                          But if he was never arrested then he had the right to leave. So why handcuff him? And a fourteen year old boy in handcuffs doesn't always know his rights... I bet they don't actually teach them in school.
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                            #58
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                            Let's look at prejudice.

                            Students Suspended For Clothing Displaying Confederate Flag



                            Supreme ruled way back in the day that protest clothing worn in schools is free speech, unless it is "materially and substantially disruptive" (Tinker Decision 1969).

                            So what happened?
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                              #59
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                              I do think there is something deeper going on here. There just seems to be more of a fear culture in the US than there is in a lot of other countries. Like, my cousin in Canada made a KNIFE in shop class. Like, a hand-tooled blade and carved handle sort of deal. It was treated like the useful tool it was, he gave it to my aunt as a gift for her kitchen (it's a sharp chopping blade), and I believe he got a good grade on the project. Yeah, a knife can be used as a weapon, but most people use knives as tools. And that's how it was treated.

                              Honestly, I think treating kids like criminals before they do anything creates a tense atmosphere and creates the kind of problems it sets out to solve.

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                                #60
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                                Originally posted by Tylluan Penry View Post
                                But if he was never arrested then he had the right to leave. So why handcuff him? And a fourteen year old boy in handcuffs doesn't always know his rights... I bet they don't actually teach them in school.
                                They actually do cover most basic Constitutional rights in school. At least they cover enough to make clear that when taken into police custody, you shut up and ask for a lawyer. The problem is that civics which is where most people (I took an elective that had more but most won't) will get a half-decent grounding in the issue was a 10th grade class for me and he's just starting 9th grade. I don't remember how much the topic is covered in earlier grades and I'm not familiar with his school district which may follow a different order.
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