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    Re: For our atheist pagan crew...

    I think the problem comes with beliefs as statements of fact, then it becomes an issue of pride. Nobody likes to admit they wrong about something after stating it with certainty. But if you are clear that you are not and cannot be certain, not only is this a get out clause but it also makes you obviously reasonable and you have already clarified a possible admittance of being wrong from the outset.

    I see nothing fixed in beliefs and they needn't be any more corrupting of reason than assumptions, which cause people to try and fit evidence to ideas too.

    I guess I am atheist pagan, then, since I think we were not created by an actual being with intent. Though I do believe in more than reductionism.
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    Re: For our atheist pagan crew...

    Quote Originally Posted by Briton View Post
    I think the problem comes with beliefs as statements of fact, then it becomes an issue of pride. Nobody likes to admit they wrong about something after stating it with certainty. But if you are clear that you are not and cannot be certain, not only is this a get out clause but it also makes you obviously reasonable and you have already clarified a possible admittance of being wrong from the outset.
    Yup - this is where the prejudice comes from. but, also, once one has decided that a thing is true (God made man in his own image, for example) one has a tenancy to stop thinking.
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    Re: For our atheist pagan crew...

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    naturalistic pantheists, archetypal soft polytheists, straight up dirt worshippers, non-theists, humanists...
    Good list, but I'm a little confused by "naturalistic pantheist" which looks like an oxymoron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Briton View Post
    I see nothing fixed in beliefs and they needn't be any more corrupting of reason than assumptions, which cause people to try and fit evidence to ideas too.
    It does seem that tightly held beliefs inevitably lead to confirmation bias.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porpoise View Post
    Good list, but I'm a little confused by "naturalistic pantheist" which looks like an oxymoron.
    a naturalistic pantheist reveres the Universe as being the sum existence of existence, but not as a supernatural entity (more info), as opposed to the regular pantheist who generally considers the Universe to be the literal body of "god" (and vice versa) or a panentheist that considers god to be the entire Universe+the consciousness of god
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    Re: For our atheist pagan crew...

    I'm generally pretty sceptical, but I've also found that relentless rationality is limiting and rather boring, and I can see that imagination has a role to play, which I think is why I am interesting in exploring some pagan ideas and practices. So for me it's about being open to possibilities, but not feeling I have to take on a load of beliefs.

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    Re: For our atheist pagan crew...

    Skepticism does not, necessarily, reduce imagination.

    A skeptic imagines a variety of possible explanations, them looks for the one that best fits the facts.

    A believer imagines an explanation, then cherishes it.
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    Re: For our atheist pagan crew...

    also, they are doing an anthology: http://humanisticpaganism.com/2015/1...eistic-pagans/




    (yours truly is probably going to be in there)
    “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

    “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
    ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

    "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
    ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

    "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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    Re: For our atheist pagan crew...

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    also, they are doing an anthology: http://humanisticpaganism.com/2015/1...eistic-pagans/




    (yours truly is probably going to be in there)
    I wrote a piece and submitted it as well. They probably won't accept it because, you know, I'm a loon, but I thought I'd try anyway

    I'm also thinking about a submitting an essay as well because they need a bit of something to laugh at - they get so seriously spiritual...
    Those who have suffered understand suffering and therefore extend their hand.

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    Re: For our atheist pagan crew...

    As to belief,I quote the"I don't know a lot about art,but I know what I like"
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    Re: For our atheist pagan crew...

    Quote Originally Posted by anunitu View Post
    As to belief,I quote the"I don't know a lot about art,but I know what I like"
    I can't define porn, but I know it when I see it.
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