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...its also pretty friendly to panthiests, agnostics, humanists, and some others“You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom
“We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee
"We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History
"Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett
Pagan Devotionals, because the wind and the rain is our Bible
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It looks very appealing to me. I feel like I want a deeper connection with the natural world but don't really want to have to take on a load of strange beliefs.Once a man, like the sea I raged;
Once a woman, like the earth I gave;
And there is in fact more earth than sea.
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What would you constitute as atheist pagan? Buddhists? Animists generally?I'm not one to ever pray for mercy
Or to wish on pennies in the fountain or the shrine
But that day you know I left my money
And I thought of you only
All that copper glowing fine
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Originally posted by Briton View PostWhat would you constitute as atheist pagan? Buddhists? Animists generally?Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.
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Originally posted by Briton View PostWhat would you constitute as atheist pagan? Buddhists? Animists generally?
Generally I'm not too keen on beliefs these days, they often feel like preconceptions which limit full and open experience, more of a hindrance than a help. Possibilities and assumptions I can live with though.Once a man, like the sea I raged;
Once a woman, like the earth I gave;
And there is in fact more earth than sea.
Genesis lyric
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Originally posted by Porpoise View PostGenerally I'm not too keen on beliefs these days, they often feel like preconceptions which limit full and open experience, more of a hindrance than a help. Possibilities and assumptions I can live with though.
Or, at least, they prejudice one in certain directions.Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.
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Originally posted by Briton View PostWhat would you constitute as atheist pagan? Buddhists? Animists generally?“You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom
“We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee
"We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History
"Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett
Pagan Devotionals, because the wind and the rain is our Bible
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I think the problem comes with beliefs as statements of fact, then it becomes an issue of pride. Nobody likes to admit they wrong about something after stating it with certainty. But if you are clear that you are not and cannot be certain, not only is this a get out clause but it also makes you obviously reasonable and you have already clarified a possible admittance of being wrong from the outset.
I see nothing fixed in beliefs and they needn't be any more corrupting of reason than assumptions, which cause people to try and fit evidence to ideas too.
I guess I am atheist pagan, then, since I think we were not created by an actual being with intent. Though I do believe in more than reductionism.I'm not one to ever pray for mercy
Or to wish on pennies in the fountain or the shrine
But that day you know I left my money
And I thought of you only
All that copper glowing fine
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Originally posted by Briton View PostI think the problem comes with beliefs as statements of fact, then it becomes an issue of pride. Nobody likes to admit they wrong about something after stating it with certainty. But if you are clear that you are not and cannot be certain, not only is this a get out clause but it also makes you obviously reasonable and you have already clarified a possible admittance of being wrong from the outset.Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.
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Originally posted by thalassa View Postnaturalistic pantheists, archetypal soft polytheists, straight up dirt worshippers, non-theists, humanists...
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Originally posted by Briton View PostI see nothing fixed in beliefs and they needn't be any more corrupting of reason than assumptions, which cause people to try and fit evidence to ideas too.Once a man, like the sea I raged;
Once a woman, like the earth I gave;
And there is in fact more earth than sea.
Genesis lyric
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Originally posted by Porpoise View PostGood list, but I'm a little confused by "naturalistic pantheist" which looks like an oxymoron.“You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom
“We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee
"We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History
"Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett
Pagan Devotionals, because the wind and the rain is our Bible
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I'm generally pretty sceptical, but I've also found that relentless rationality is limiting and rather boring, and I can see that imagination has a role to play, which I think is why I am interesting in exploring some pagan ideas and practices. So for me it's about being open to possibilities, but not feeling I have to take on a load of beliefs.Once a man, like the sea I raged;
Once a woman, like the earth I gave;
And there is in fact more earth than sea.
Genesis lyric
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