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    Does science reduce appreciation of beauty?

    Here is Richard Feynman on the subject:

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    Re: Does science reduce appreciation of beauty?

    Yes, and no...

    So, I think science, in the short-term does reduce the appreciation of beauty. To understand something, you often have to deconstruct it. Sometimes, you have to deconstruct it over and over and over and over and over and over, until you've destroyed it. But.

    In the long run...that knowledge deepens how we define beauty and adds infinite dimensions to how we see it.
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    Re: Does science reduce appreciation of beauty?

    I'm of the opinion that the "deconstruction" is actually a re-focusing on specific details - an aesthetic shift from the total to the partial - rather than a temporary loss in aesthetic appreciation.

    But I do agree that knowledge and understanding do, in the long run, create an added dimension of aesthetics that is not available to those who avoid knowledge and understanding.

    For myself, I am not sure if a love of science made me a better artist, or if my love of art created a love of science. You look at a leaf, you draw it over and over and over, and then you see all those things that make a leaf a leaf.

    And you begin to wonder... what are those precisely spaced little hairs there for?
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    Re: Does science reduce appreciation of beauty?

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    I'm of the opinion that the "deconstruction" is actually a re-focusing on specific details - an aesthetic shift from the total to the partial - rather than a temporary loss in aesthetic appreciation.
    I guess I'm thinking that while there is a beauty in that re-focusing (one probably only appreciated by the nerdy or obsessed), that its really not an aesthetic appreciation.
    “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

    “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
    ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

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    "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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    Re: Does science reduce appreciation of beauty?

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    I guess I'm thinking that while there is a beauty in that re-focusing (one probably only appreciated by the nerdy or obsessed), that its really not an aesthetic appreciation.
    We prolly have slight differences in our concept of aesthetics

    Or maybe I have a strange approach because of my various interests.
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    Re: Does science reduce appreciation of beauty?

    Have no idea,but I know beauty when I feel it...
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    Re: Does science reduce appreciation of beauty?

    Quote Originally Posted by anunitu View Post
    Have no idea,but I know beauty when I feel it...
    Judging from the position of your hand, that's not beauty you're feeling...
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    Re: Does science reduce appreciation of beauty?

    You sir are possessed of a dirty mind,not to mention bad comedic timing...
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    Re: Does science reduce appreciation of beauty?

    Quote Originally Posted by anunitu View Post
    You sir are possessed of a dirty mind,not to mention bad comedic timing...
    I am at a total loss to understand where that is coming from. I thought you were petting an ugly dog...

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    Re: Does science reduce appreciation of beauty?

    Baddda BOOM,badda Bing...rim shot!!!!!!
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