Communism!

[Kori Harpoon]

Re: Communism!

I understand why you think this, but that doesn't mean that, just because it's one person's thought process, does it mean that this process is necessary.

Keep in mind I am a Titoist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titoism . These are alot of my ideas.

[habbalah]

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Keep in mind I am a Titoist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titoism . These are alot of my ideas.

I do understand, but if you're making assertions, you need to provide support for them. It's how logic works--if you make a positive statement (that is, firmly saying that something is fact, rather than simply giving an opinion), you have the burden of proof to support it. The exception is when it's an accepted fact or social norm (there's no reason for someone to question that I had breakfast this morning. But if I said I ate an entire live snake for breakfast, that would require proof).

You are making the positive statement that no country is or has been communist, despite evidence pointing otherwise. Therefore, it's up to you to support this.

[Kori Harpoon]

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I do understand, but if you're making assertions, you need to provide support for them. It's how logic works--if you make a positive statement (that is, firmly saying that something is fact, rather than simply giving an opinion), you have the burden of proof to support it. The exception is when it's an accepted fact or social norm (there's no reason for someone to question that I had breakfast this morning. But if I said I ate an entire live snake for breakfast, that would require proof).


You are making the positive statement that no country is or has been communist, despite evidence pointing otherwise. Therefore, it's up to you to support this.

Most people wrongly believe that there have been Communist nations. People say that hate Communism, hate Communist Countries but do not realize there has never been one. Yes Communists were in charge but that's doesn't mean that the nation is Communist. It's like the USO's Motto: Land of the Free Home of the Wopper.:P Anyway joking aside Economics of a nation depend on it's mechanics not what someone says. Marxism is not Socialism, Socialism is not Communism. There are differences.

[habbalah]

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Most people wrongly believe that there have been Communist nations. People say that hate Communism, hate Communist Countries but do not realize there has never been one. Yes Communists were in charge but that's doesn't mean that the nation is Communist. It's like the USO's Motto: Land of the Free Home of the Wopper.:P Anyway joking aside Economics of a nation depend on it's mechanics not what someone says. Marxism is not Socialism, Socialism is not Communism. There are differences.

You said there has been no actual communist country, ever, correct? So you are basing your ideals on something that is only a theory, and has never been practiced. You said that you are oppressed here, despite being legally free to express such views. The communist country you want never has been, and you assume that if it ever were to happen correctly, it would be a place than no corruption or greed would happen? That you would be completely free to do...whatever it is you feel you cannot in the US? Am I correct, or am I off?

[ThePaganMafia]

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Communism's ideal was used to rally worker support to put the "Communist" parties into power but once in power the Communist ideal was never established. The working class continued to have no power. They were Communist only in name and held power only in dictatorship. So he is correct, there have been no true communist countries. Though, I am in more support of the Social Democracy. Capitalism, as we have it now, has been just as a destructive, imperialistic force as these so called Communist countries. America has maintained an imperialist grip around the globe and has been responsible for countless atrocities, in our borders and abroad. Unrestrained capitalism is not the answer. Money has to be taken out of the equation for power to function in the best interests of the people. We are going in the opposite direction than that right now.

[Medusa]

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Soooo. Let me rephrase this: What countries have you visited?

[Näre]

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I've heard this "but there haven't been real communist countries" argument thrown a lot in internet conversations but what's the point of subscribing to a political/economical system if it hasn't been in use. If those Communist leaders couldn't establish a Communist country, who can? Is that even possible? (Even the word 'Communist leader' sounds like an oxymoron to my ears.)

[Briton]

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A vegan, a communist and a guy with a hot new girlfriend walk into a bar. Who tells you about themselves first?

I think we can make capitalism work by being less obsessed with owning lots of new stuff and helping those less fortunate than is because in an instant, we could become one of them.

Communism will never happen not never work because it is anti progressive and relies on a non existent human nature. Since the Stone Age such of farming, we've needed security to own the means of production to protect against exploiters. Communism will always degrade to exploitation, capitalism needn't HAVE to.

[thalassa]

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Whether you are a communist or a libertarian, what I really want, when you start touting the oppression word around, is this:

Give me a list of 20 things, at least 5 of which should be related to your absolute survival, that you cannot do as a result of this so-called oppressive government.

I mean, if it's truly oppression, you should be able to list far more than 20 distinct things...Martin Luther managed 95 major problems he had against the Catholic Church.

[MaskedOne]

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I mean, if it's truly oppression, you should be able to list far more than 20 distinct things...Martin Luther managed 95 major problems he had against the Catholic Church.

I am obviously not oppressive enough. I need to take away more rights and be more arbitrary in doing so. I would hate to be outdone by the Church.

[Briton]

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My only serious one is the if I own land, I cannot just build a house for my family on it. The government can say no.

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Aside from that, I'm not too bothered. Most issues are just niggling nanny state issues, like anonymity on the internet and so much tax money being wasted on bureaucracy. The home one is the only one which really impacts me. What gets me is that land banking developers are allowed to build thousands of shoddy sub-standard homes but I almost definitely cannot build a house in a plot of woodland, you know as a forester that is my workplace. It's ridiculous.

[thalassa]

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My only serious one is the if I own land, I cannot just build a house for my family on it. The government can say no.

Here there is permitting and such, mainly to do with 1) safety and environmental concerns and 2) resale value to maintain property values for neighbours. Unfortunately, the population density in both our countries is such that one rarely owns enough land to do what they want without it impacting the neighbors. When one does, at least here, it's easy to hide what you do on your land, so you can absolutely build a house without permission or permitting...you just might have some fines to pay for not getting the proper inspections, etc, depending on the ordinances where you do so. But you can still do it.

[Briton]

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Here there is permitting and such, mainly to do with 1) safety and environmental concerns and 2) resale value to maintain property values for neighbours. Unfortunately, the population density in both our countries is such that one rarely owns enough land to do what they want without it impacting the neighbors. When one does, at least here, it's easy to hide what you do on your land, so you can absolutely build a house without permission or permitting...you just might have some fines to pay for not getting the proper inspections, etc, depending on the ordinances where you do so. But you can still do it.

You forgot 3) this is an area of outstanding natural beauty. You can't just live there. Yes the impact on local house prices is the problem. Why should I give a damn about my neighbours' house prices and how is that more important than having a home? Furthermore, many houses are centuries old, they sought no planning and we love them now. If the current government existed 200 years ago the Georgian period would never have hastened because the government would never have showed them to just plaster over millions of Tudor homes, which is exactly what much of Georgian buildings are, adapted Tudor.

The government shouldn't have a right to say that, if I own land, I can't live on it. I'm not turning it into a bloody housing estate and one house is hardly going to impact on traffic levels.

By the way, here, if you build a house without permission you don't pay a fine. You just have to tear it down. If you year down a listed building without permission, you have to rebuild it brick by brick.

[B. de Corbin]

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Call it a shed or "outbuilding," and, where I live, no more permits (I live in farm country...).

[Medusa]

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I watch a youtube channel called American Homesteading. They live on a piece of land they own. They built their home there. They are just now in the process of running water to their sink. Before that it was just her going to their well every day for water for basic consumption.


Which is great.

Our oppressive government allows me to walk to my kitchen, turn a little handle and get hot water instantly.

YOU have the choice of getting water or not. The govt just says, here. Here is water. Thanks.