Remember Cliven Bundy, the rancher with animals grazing on Federal land?

[DanieMarie]

Re: Remember Cliven Bundy, the rancher with animals grazing on Federal land?

Hypocrisy at its best: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slate...ness_loan.html

[anunitu]

Re: Remember Cliven Bundy, the rancher with animals grazing on Federal land?

I am really wondering why this standoff seems so "friendly". Taking over a federal building in other situations might seem to bring down full tilt attack.

[monsno_leedra]

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I am really wondering why this standoff seems so "friendly". Taking over a federal building in other situations might seem to bring down full tilt attack.

Ruby Ridge and Branch Dividians among other's I imagine are on their mind and how those went wrong in a bad way.

[MaskedOne]

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I am really wondering why this standoff seems so "friendly". Taking over a federal building in other situations might seem to bring down full tilt attack.

No one in the building, nothing spectacularly vital, no need to use brute force.

All told if I were the Feds in this and I had control of the right things then my response would be

1) cut power
2) cut water
3) prevent anyone from bringing food or water to them and just station some people with cameras.

After the nice militia men all go home to eat, send out feds to pick them up. Why the hell should I try and take a building by force when I can literally starve everyone into leaving?

[B. de Corbin]

Re: Remember Cliven Bundy, the rancher with animals grazing on Federal land?

Ruby Ridge and Branch Dividians among other's I imagine are on their mind and how those went wrong in a bad way.

Yup - I think the Feds have learned from experience.

Don't need a big dust-up, everything has been peaceful so far, there have not even been threats, and it is best not to create martyrs...

Wait them out. They will go home.

[anunitu]

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Yes,the wait till they get hungry,and then tell them drop the guns,and we have pizza for you guys. I was more in the wondering how this would go with another ethnic group. In the way back(70's) even with some groups that were mixed(weathermen,SDS) it went bad pretty fast. Have to admit those groups were blowing up things as well,not just taking over buildings.

[ThePaganMafia]

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Can't have any dead white people on our hands, now. Their lives actually matter.

[monsno_leedra]

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I highly doubt that has anything to do with it. More likely the fact no one is rioting, blowing stuff up or robbing and looting things or burning public property. If the riots in the cities held to that they probably wouldn't have gone bad either with police enforcement's. Lots of racial protests and such have happened and no one gets killed it's only when they turn to riots and all the destruction that people get fed up I think.

[anunitu]

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This may actually be an issue.
Sauce


The Latest: Tribe says armed activists 'desecrating' land

The leader of an Oregon Indian tribe whose ancestral property is being occupied by a small, armed group opposed to federal land policy says the activists aren't welcome and need to leave.

Burns Paiute Tribal Chair Charlotte Rodrique told reporters Wednesday that the tribe is concerned about damage to cultural artifacts. She says the group is "desecrating one of our sacred sites."


As in "Who's land is this?"

[B. de Corbin]

Re: Remember Cliven Bundy, the rancher with animals grazing on Federal land?

Yes,the wait till they get hungry,and then tell them drop the guns,and we have pizza for you guys. I was more in the wondering how this would go with another ethnic group. In the way back(70's) even with some groups that were mixed(weathermen,SDS) it went bad pretty fast. Have to admit those groups were blowing up things as well,not just taking over buildings.

From what I recall from the late 60s, Native Americans were occupying various places - one was Whitefish Point in Michigan's UP, and another was Mt. Rushmore. Aside from press coverage, they were basically left to peacefully protest.

The Weathermen, Symbionese Liberation Army, etc. were actively violent. When the Black Panthers showed up, armed, at Sacramento State Assembly Chamber, they were jailed, but not shot down.

[anunitu]

Re: Remember Cliven Bundy, the rancher with animals grazing on Federal land?

Also there was Wounded Knee...That did not go as well....

[B. de Corbin]

Re: Remember Cliven Bundy, the rancher with animals grazing on Federal land?

Also there was Wounded Knee...That did not go as well....

That was another time, another world...

[anunitu]

Re: Remember Cliven Bundy, the rancher with animals grazing on Federal land?

Not the one in the 1800's,the 1973 one.

Sauce

[B. de Corbin]

Re: Remember Cliven Bundy, the rancher with animals grazing on Federal land?

Not the one in the 1800's,the 1973 one.

Sauce

Oh - I didn't know about that...

But, when I read the article, it states that the N.A.s took hostages.

That does kindda change things...

[DanieMarie]

Re: Remember Cliven Bundy, the rancher with animals grazing on Federal land?

No one in the building, nothing spectacularly vital, no need to use brute force.

All told if I were the Feds in this and I had control of the right things then my response would be

1) cut power
2) cut water
3) prevent anyone from bringing food or water to them and just station some people with cameras.

After the nice militia men all go home to eat, send out feds to pick them up. Why the hell should I try and take a building by force when I can literally starve everyone into leaving?

Seems like a good way to get them to leave without causing a situation.