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    The Science Of Negative People

    Is there a science of why people are so negative and toxic? Because I've some theories of why people are so negative. 1. Negative people want to be so cool and popular. 2. They hang out with other negative people and they mimic the toxic behavior from negative people. 3. Negative people have a difficult and abusive childhood. Those are my theories.

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    Re: The Science Of Negative People

    Because toxicity is fun.

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    Re: The Science Of Negative People

    These aren't theories, and tbh, they'd need a lot of work before they could even be considered hypotheses...at best, they are personal suppositions and therefor are not science and this thread probably belongs in rants or general discussion

    But since I'm on my phone and prefer not to do mod things from there, lets make this a science lesson.

    Define "negative". Give me a list of traits displayed by "negative" people. Are we talking pessimism here or stinginess or bullying?

    Do your research. Behavioral science has been a thing for a while. What studies with actual hypotheses support your supposition?

    Show me the data. Science is testable. Science delivers data which are statistically interpreted to be significant or not, usually to a 95th percentile or better confidence level.
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    Re: The Science Of Negative People

    *bows before Thalassa* Definately not a Science post appropriate thing here I'm afraid I have to agree

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    The thing about people being negative,it seems more a moral or spiritual concept. Life can be a burden that presses down with the weight of a thousand broken dreams,and we humans fall to the ground sometimes from the winds of change.
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    Re: The Science Of Negative People

    Quote Originally Posted by anunitu View Post
    The thing about people being negative, it seems more a moral or spiritual concept.
    ...which isn't science!




    Life can be a burden that presses down with the weight of a thousand broken dreams, and we humans fall to the ground sometimes from the winds of change.
    And sometimes they don't.

    This is sometimes classified as a trait called "grit". And there is a body of work devoted to trying to figure out what "grit" is, how one gets it (or not), and how it can be taught (or not).
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    I guess I have grit,but there have been times I was tempted to just let go,but what ever that grit is,it would not let me.
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    Re: The Science Of Negative People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    Is there a science of why people are so negative and toxic? Because I've some theories of why people are so negative. 1. Negative people want to be so cool and popular. 2. They hang out with other negative people and they mimic the toxic behavior from negative people. 3. Negative people have a difficult and abusive childhood. Those are my theories.
    From previous experience in social work and life generally I'd say that all of those can be relevant. I suspect the main factor is being around other negative people, both in the formative years of childhood and later on with adult peers, when there is often a need to fit in. Also I have observed that both negativity and positivity are very "infectious" in group situations, that is partly why leadership roles are so pivotal.
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    Re: The Science Of Negative People

    Not sure reasons would be the science of it. I am negative when I want to be and positive when i want to be. People are free to walk away at any time. I have friend who tolerate both.

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    Re: The Science Of Negative People

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    Is there a science of why people are so negative and toxic? Because I've some theories of why people are so negative. 1. Negative people want to be so cool and popular. 2. They hang out with other negative people and they mimic the toxic behavior from negative people. 3. Negative people have a difficult and abusive childhood. Those are my theories.
    As thalassa said there not theories nor very testable. That said there are many sciences that answer these questions entirely or as aspects. Figure Sociology, Psychology, Biology to name three right off the top of my head.

    Now I suppose you could make an argument as to why some people exhibit negative or destructive manifestations while other's born and living under the same social, cultural, ethnic, gender, economic influences do not. Then speculate as to how each influence impacts upon us as individuals, members of a group and try to use data sets to support your conclusions and position.

    But I personally think you've first got to define "Negative" and "toxic" and how your definitions are being applied to your statements. Figure while each word has a dictionary definition it probably has many "Street" or "Slang" definitions that differ from group to group. Nor does that mean that the scientific definition and usage of a word will be the same as the common cultural usage of the same word.

    Then again maybe none of what I said is any more scientific or supportable / arguable than what you've said even though it makes sense to me. Yep perhaps the pain pills are speaking right now more so than my logical mind.
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