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    Re: Plus size VS Model thin..

    Western medicine's ideas of what a "healthy" weight is isn't supported by anything other than Western medicine's idea of what a "healthy" weight it--the Western diet, of course, being a hot mess...and the assumption is that being overweight is a) preventable by "health" and b) that eschewing or controlling calories from such a diet means that you are somehow healthier. And TBH, Western medicine doesn't even know what "healthy" is when it comes to weight or truly how one *actually* achieves a "healthy weight".

    Morbid obesity is bad for you, yes. But being overweight isn't necessarily bad for you . As a (former) corpsman, I've seen any number of fit looking, exercising, fit eating people keel over of an early heart attack, clock in with uber high BP, have LDLs off the charts, and even be Type II Diabetics. And, I'd not be at all surprised to find that that being overweight or even mildly obese with a non-Western (or non-standard Western-ish) diet is healthier than being a "healthy weight" on a Western diet.


    The failings of the Western diet and Western medicine aside, as a former teenage girl with teenage girl friends, that later was a camp counselor for teenage girls, and went on to serve as a medic for plenty of teenage girls (right out of boot camp), I find the idea that skinny models, magazines and the media, and the fashion industry promoting anorexia (or other eating disorders) "are just silly" be a dangerous and very untrue idea. Additionally, being overweight does not make one immune to anorexia or bulimia (nor does it mean that either one is "safer" than if you are skinny since the assumption is that you can stand to loose a few).




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    I'm all for fat or skinny. I mean so what. What I'm not for is making a comment out of 'care' to a heavier woman. All in the guise of 'caring'. You don't effing care about my health. Shut your pie hole.

    Sorta like that. That's how I feel.

    But I like blackberry cobbler better than pie.

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    Re: Plus size VS Model thin..

    I've come to realise that the media is there to sell us a version of reality that is similar to the real world but just a bit 'better' because there's no profit to be made from people who are happy with what they have and who they are. It's not a big conspiracy, like everyone got around the table and said 'let's make everyone feel inferior..' but rather, it's a consequence of a capitalist culture. We are shown a world where beauty is superficial, because we can't buy personality. An exaggerated version of beauty is used because those trying to sell us the clothes or products can't afford to lose potential customers because of our individual preferences on what counts as beauty. So they airbrush and photoshop their models to appeal to the widest possible audience. A concept the biologists amongst you will be familiar with as a 'supernormal stimulus'.

    They don't necessarily mean us harm, but companies DO want to make us feel that buying x product will make us as happy or successful as the people in the images (which only works if they make our real lives appear somewhat lacking).

    I was going to reply with something similar when Thal posted the morning routine thread, because the author of the article in question is a classic example of someone who has bought the myth and is living a superficial life of fabricated happiness.. 'I'm working out for 3 hours before work, breakfast was a super-juice, my hair is perfect, my clothes are designer.. I'm living the dream...' 'No love, you're reenacting a commercial break...'

    It's no secret that I've had body image issues. When I was starting to recover, it was quickly replaced by a feeling of inadequacy over my home and belongings. It was then that I realised those feelings were all linked. Once I realised that it's just an easily salable concept of 'happiness' because the things that truly make us happy can't be bought, I learnt to stop paying it so much attention. Now I can get back to caring about the things that really DO matter.

    So.. honestly, I think 'healthy' is as much about what's going on in your head as it is about weight. Sure, if your weight (or lack of) is causing you health problems, or genuinely making you unhappy, then seek support to do something about it if you so wish. But if you think your happiness and wellbeing is dependent on your weight, you're likely to be pretty disappointed when/if you reach that ideal. Just like the 'perfect' woman who wrote that article about succesful women, will no doubt discover (although she'll probably just assume it's because her teeth need more work, or she should get a better car... or cut something else from her diet). Because that world where only beautiful people are happy isn't real. Happy people are happy because they're happy people.. whether they fit the media profile of beautiful or not.

    Now.. did someone mention pie?
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    Re: Plus size VS Model thin..

    Give me a Romanesque model any day, ladies with curves where they should be, not these airbrushed skeletors

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    Re: Plus size VS Model thin..

    In 1980, I was wearing the same bikini Christie Brinkley wore on the Sports Illustrated cover. But I was not having a good time in life, and I was obsessed with thinness. Looking like that did not make anyone magically love me, which is what I was looking for back then. I was starving myself to death based on what the media told me was ideal. Boy have I changed, inside and out. LOL I'm very glad I got over all that, and survived!

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    Re: Plus size VS Model thin..

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    I'm all for fat or skinny. I mean so what. What I'm not for is making a comment out of 'care' to a heavier woman. All in the guise of 'caring'. You don't effing care about my health. Shut your pie hole.

    Sorta like that. That's how I feel.



    I want pie.
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    Happens to skinnier too. Can't tell you hiw often I get 'A bit omore wight would do you good' like that never occured to me... shut up. Mind your own buisinss.

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    Re: Plus size VS Model thin..

    Sorry, insufficient sample to draw a conclusion.

    Please supply more along the lines of the first image.

    Yes, both the first and second images can be normal. Not all women have wide hips or rib cage that create hourglass figures, and that's fine.

    We all have our own definition of what's beautiful and, let's not fool ourselves, appearance does matter. However, if someone you like doesn't find you attractive, that's fine. Find someone else.
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    Re: Plus size VS Model thin..

    Truth be told,I have always been very thin..had a 30 inch waist right up till I hit about 55. I was also hit with the "Are you sick" being that thin. I had to eat high calorie stuff all the time just to keep what weight I had. I was what is commonly called wiry,strong but not bulky..to the point it surprised people at how strong I really was. So,I kinda know from a male perspective about this subject.
    After 55 I started to collect more weight,I think my metabolism finally slowed enough to gain some extra weight.
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    Re: Plus size VS Model thin..

    I don't mind the plus size model in this post, or the medium size model. But what about men? I personaly like men with some meat on their abs. You don't have to sculpt yourself to the idea of a perfect man, you can be perfect but not have abs. You can be a perfect man and not attract the men/women alike that are represented in this post. You don't have to be the perfect supermodel.

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    Re: Plus size VS Model thin..

    The fashion world is ridiculous. That woman in the original world (while fairly average) is still heavier than a good chunk of "plus sized" models out there. I think age limits would actually fix a lot of it. Whereas in the past (and by "past", I mean 1990), the fashion norm was "tall slim woman," now it's "14-year-old," and adult women have to fit the profile if they want to work. There's a fetishization of young teens, and it's creepy, gross, and wrong.

    That being said, I hate a lot of the backlash against thin models in general. There are women that generally have a really slim figure (Audrey Hepburn stands out as an example), and shaming them into feeling like they are not "real women" is wrong and unfair. We are all "real women." We just need to feel comfortable in the skin we're in, and society needs to respect a broader spectrum of body types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidMcCann View Post
    Cheryl Tiegs does have a point about health. We all know (unless we live in a cave) that a lot of the health problems arising in later life are associated with being overweight.

    No, she doesn't. She doesn't know anything about that model or her physical health, and she is not a doctor.

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    Re: Plus size VS Model thin..

    I just want to know who makes pants for women? Because NO ONE on the planet can just make a decent pair of pants. Not for skinny gals. No for big ones. No one.
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