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    Re: Addiction

    Addiction has a clinical definition for certain but you'd still be surprised just how many caregivers use their own definition. I recall I was taking close to 30 aspirin a day without even thinking about it and brought it up to my doctor at the time. She was positive you couldn't become addicted to aspirin. It wasn't an addictive substance in her opinion. Definitely not fun and games at the time.
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    Re: Addiction

    Quote Originally Posted by monsno_leedra View Post
    Addiction has a clinical definition for certain but you'd still be surprised just how many caregivers use their own definition. I recall I was taking close to 30 aspirin a day without even thinking about it and brought it up to my doctor at the time. She was positive you couldn't become addicted to aspirin. It wasn't an addictive substance in her opinion. Definitely not fun and games at the time.

    To be sure there is lots of misinformation, even among health professionals, and to be sure there are many areas of contention, incomplete conclusions, and uncertainty...add to that the idea of habituation often being conflated with addiction, and often times people are using the same terminology to describe apples and zebras.

    But that doesn't make this any closer to a factual statement:

    To answer your question. Addiction can be a positive rush only in moderation and I already mention that addiction can be negative only with drugs, alocohol and smoking. And I really don't see it completely as a disease. There always a cure that people overcome addiction. Also addiction is not even a mental illness. If it was a mental illness there won't be no cure for it.
    There's not even a single idea in there that has any basis in any remotely medical or scientific ideas about addiction.


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    Re: Addiction

    Quote Originally Posted by habbalah View Post
    Addiction is an illness, it is mental and there is no cure. You repeating that doesn't make it not true. There are treatments, but one is never cured from alcoholism. They are recovering.

    Only drugs are negative addictions? What about gambling? Sex? Self-injury? Eating disorders? Shopping to the point of running yourself into debt or ruin? If you don't believe any of these exist, use Google. I shouldn't have to provide links. The very definition of addiction disagrees with your assertion of its meaning (emphasis mine):

    noun
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    the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.

    What about that sounds like a "fun rush" to you? You are not an addict if you are able to enjoy something in moderation. Do. Research. Before you start making topics of discussion, please, for the love of whatever gods you believe in.
    I already did my research. Gambling is a tricky one. You'll win so much much if you're lucky but you'll lose a lot of money. Sex is also a tricky one as well. Well I already mention my Porn Addiction thread in the Adult forum. It's give you pleasure and satisfaction in your love love but it'll give you negativity in a long run. So gambling and sex is in the gray area. Self-injury and eating orders is very negative. I can't lie aout that. Shopping is also a tricky one. You get all the items that want but yoou have trouble paying the bills. So shopping it's in the gray area. I'll tell you a story about my first addiction. Many years ago I brought over 20 tarot decks. Was it problematic for me? Yes. Did it ruin my life? No. So anyway I throw all my tarot decks in the garabe and I learn a lesson. The lesson is that I have to be more careful not being over addicted to tarot. Do it in moderation.

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    Re: Addiction

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    I already did my research. Gambling is a tricky one. You'll win so much much if you're lucky but you'll lose a lot of money.
    I worked in the casino industry as a dealer after I left the Army. Gambling is one of the most crippling habits I have ever seen. Luck has nothing to do with gambling. It is mathematics. The House holds a 2-8 percent edge on every game. So, what that means is the house averages 2-8 cents of profits on every dollar bet. The more money bet=the higher bottom line. Luck does not beat mathematics.

    When people say they're winning what they really mean is that they are having an upswing from the average. Their long term average is always a loss. The crux of gambling addiction is that "win". The amount of money won doesn't matter. Winning releases dopamine in the brain. It essentially has the same affect as a drug. That's why so all casino advertisements have a variation of the word "win" in them.

    Gambling is horrible. I have seen it destroy lives. Dealing is the one job I had where I hated myself for what I was paid to do. Casino dealers are no different than drug dealers.

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    Re: Addiction

    If it's in moderation, it's not an addiction. You are factually wrong about addiction. Stop it.
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    This is so confusing.
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    "I see you. Red lipstick spread perfectly over your lush mouth, brown eyes that hold centuries upon centuries of secrets. A face made to entice even the most celibate of men and women alike. A red dress that sways and moves with your body, making you a temptation like no other."

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    As they say,the house always wins...but that is over time with a few ups and downs..but over time they always win..
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    Re: Addiction

    From your friend Google: Addiction is a substance or action "that can be pleasurable but the continued use/act of which becomes compulsive and interferes with ordinary life responsibilities..."

    As Anton LaVey says, 'indulgence not compulsion', in other words, pleasure over addiction. Addiction keeps you awake at night when you need to go to sleep for work or school for the sake of pornography, drinking to the point of bloody knuckles and walking 3 hours home after 2 am in the rain, for example. Indulgence is staying awake with friends or family on a weekend (your weekend) while talking about life and concepts, and having a hoot, or sexing up a beautiful person, or drinking enough to laugh at the joke that is life and let go of inhibitions, yet still getting on the right bus home or listening to your friend and getting in the car to get safely back to a sleeping environment.

    Addiction hurts in many ways. Nothing fun. All bad.


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    Re: Addiction

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    I already did my research. Gambling is a tricky one. You'll win so much much if you're lucky but you'll lose a lot of money. Sex is also a tricky one as well. Well I already mention my Porn Addiction thread in the Adult forum. It's give you pleasure and satisfaction in your love love but it'll give you negativity in a long run. So gambling and sex is in the gray area. Self-injury and eating orders is very negative. I can't lie aout that. Shopping is also a tricky one. You get all the items that want but yoou have trouble paying the bills. So shopping it's in the gray area. I'll tell you a story about my first addiction. Many years ago I brought over 20 tarot decks. Was it problematic for me? Yes. Did it ruin my life? No. So anyway I throw all my tarot decks in the garabe and I learn a lesson. The lesson is that I have to be more careful not being over addicted to tarot. Do it in moderation.
    If you did research, you didn't do enough. If you're addicted to something, you lack the ability to do it in moderation. You may have bought 20 tarot decks and threw them away. Maybe you were addicted. Maybe you were just obsessed with the idea of collecting them. And maybe now you can collect decks in moderation. Then you're not currently addicted, because you have the ability to control how much you do it, and not to excess.

    There is no grey area in regards to addiction. Not gambling, not shopping, not sex, nothing. If you are addicted, it's negative. I don't often say this here, but you are wrong, and no matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make the fact that addiction is always negative not a fact. One of the rules here is to not couch personal opinion as fact, which you are clearly doing. You are using addiction to mean activity or even habit. If you have actual research or evidence to the contrary, please post it. Until that time, the medical, psychological, and dictionary definitions of "addiction" disagree with you.
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    Re: Addiction

    Habballah, I'm sorry that addiction has cause you so many issue but like I said addiction is a tricky subject.

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