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    Re: Fruit juice isn't much better for you than soda.

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    Re: Fruit juice isn't much better for you than soda.

    I don't know what kind of juice you other folks in the US are buying but all my juice contains only fruit juice. There is nothing else listed in the ingredients. There aren't even preservatives added. I do know that when making juice they blend different fruits to get the sweetness that they want. In orange juice, for example they use a mixture of different types of oranges to get the desired taste. In apple juice they use different kinds of apples and a lot of "water core" apples that have a higher sugar content to get the taste the same. None of the juices that we use have sugar added or anything but juice in them. I read labels too and watch what is added and try to stay away from preservatives, added salt and sugar. That is why we grow our vegetables and why I bake my own bread products. Maybe the higher cost fruit juices add the sugar because I buy the cheap stuff and there is nothing in it but fruit juice.

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    Re: Fruit juice isn't much better for you than soda.

    I think the issue is that most juice "drinks" are still understood as "juice." It IS hard to tell the difference. Often the same brands make both. It's not just a Canadian thing either, because I've been grocery shopping in the US before.

    The other issue is that juice is still loaded with sugar, even when no extra sugar is added. The kinds of fruits (or even varieties of a single fruit like apples) matters as well....some have WAY more sugar in them than others. I know that the apple juice in North America is WAY sweeter than the stuff I get in Europe, even when neither has any sugar added. It's the same deal as the quince. Some fruit varieties have way more sugar in them.

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    Re: Fruit juice isn't much better for you than soda.

    OK, maybe we should recognize the difference between Fructose, Glucose and Sucrose or just lump all the monosaccharides together and all the disaccharides in a different lump.
    Table sugar is a disaccharide while Fructose is a monosaccaride. The natural sugars in fruit are nearly all fructose.

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    Re: Fruit juice isn't much better for you than soda.

    I know that. But too much sugar of any kind is not good for you.

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    Re: Fruit juice isn't much better for you than soda.

    Sucrose is glucose+fructose--the glucose and fructose are bound together with an oxygen molecule (this is called a glycosidic linkage), which yes, makes it a disaccharide (which just means "two sugars"). Hydrolysis breaks the bond between these and forms the separate glucose and fructose molecules--this process occurs in the presence of even a weak acid...making the stomach more than just a little bit up to the job.

    Plants contain a mix of glucose and fructose, and glucose and fructose bound as sucrose. The molecular structure and composition of sugar is pretty much the same whether they are from fruit or little white granules (table sugar, after all, is a plant derivative from the sugar cane or sugar beet, or some other plants such as the sugar maple and date palm)--the amount of sugar in a particular fruit depends on the type of fruit (cranberry is 20% while pears are 70%), with most fruits in the 40-55% fructose range (with the rest as glucose). Table sugar is straight 50/50. Sucrose (as well as unbounded fructose and glucose) is found in the roots, (nearly all) fruits, nectars, and (less often) stems of plants--the fruit exception being relatively tart fruits such as lemons or tomatoes(and a few others).

    Neither is better or worse for you, they (fructose and glucose) are just metabolized differently. The importance of fruit (over fruit juice) has to do with the fiber--fiber slows glucose digestion, making it less like doing a keg-stand on an empty stomach and more like sipping a glass of wine with dinner.

    The problem comes from the fact that sugar used to be a luxury item. And Americans are notoriously bad at moderation. As luxury items required less luxury (combined with a culture that values over-the-top indulgence), tastes changed. The change in tastes shows up no so much in added sugar (as in someone dumping actual sugar into the mix), but in higher sugar content to begin with--all of our fruit today is far sweeter (having been bred for higher sugar content) than heirloom varieties, a common practice is to concentrate the juice (it stores better and longer) and redilute it (to whatever sugar content sells best), etc.

    Its sugar from fruit, yes....but its not fruit sugar in any concentration that we evolved to consume it. In the same way that a teacup poodle and a great dane are both dogs...
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    Re: Fruit juice isn't much better for you than soda.

    How many oranges to make an 8 oz glass of just squeezed juice?
    Let's say one large orange has about 17 grams of sugar. That's just from the nutrition website.
    Let's say maybe 4 oranges? Again from a random website.
    68 grams of sugar.
    sugar in any form, in any variety wrapped in a piece of fruit or coming from a can of coke is still bad for Diabetics. And if enough of it is in your baba, it's gonna rot your teeth. Natural fruit or not. Great you get some nutritional benefits. I'm all for that. But just because it comes naturally in a peeled form doesn't mean it's not just...sugar.
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    Re: Fruit juice isn't much better for you than soda.

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    How many oranges to make an 8 oz glass of just squeezed juice?
    Let's say one large orange has about 17 grams of sugar. That's just from the nutrition website.
    Let's say maybe 4 oranges? Again from a random website.
    68 grams of sugar.
    sugar in any form, in any variety wrapped in a piece of fruit or coming from a can of coke is still bad for Diabetics. And if enough of it is in your baba, it's gonna rot your teeth. Natural fruit or not. Great you get some nutritional benefits. I'm all for that. But just because it comes naturally in a peeled form doesn't mean it's not just...sugar.
    Absolutely.

    But, when I make "orange juice", I take about 10 clementimes (6.8g) and 1-2 lemons and juice them, pour the juice into a gallon pitcher, fill the pitcher the rest of the way up with water, and then slice up another orange or two and put them in the pitcher. Then that 68 grams of sugar (+/- a few grams--generally I use clementines which are sweeter but smaller) is distributed over 16 8-oz servings--it comes to just under 5g of sugar per serving. When Tropicana makes orange juice, its significantly sweeter.

    ^not that this addresses the issue that for some people, even relatively small amounts of sugar can be bad, regardless of where it comes from

    ETA: Because, as usual....the dose makes the poison. And, individual variability varies individually.
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    Re: Fruit juice isn't much better for you than soda.

    And as Duce mentioned,for her and the diabetes even that much dilution would not cut the sugar enough for her. I like Juice(real squeezed) but in small doses.
    I will admit I drink more Soda than I should,but coffee is my main drink(I do not drink soda with caffeine BTW)I like orange Fanta.
    Not much for milk anymore,except in coffee.
    I do like the V-Fusion stuff with Vegies and fruit together.
    Remember however,I am at an age where I have little time to be going all Kale and Mush to keep me healthy,I want to enjoy my golden years,and eat pretty much what I want,not need.

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    Re: Fruit juice isn't much better for you than soda.

    In my world, juice only comes at the bottom of a glass and then it's all water from there. It's always been that way in my family since most of us are diabetics. I tried doing the half the calorie 'lite' cranberry juice' in the beginning of my diagnosis. Still full of it. So most nutritionists (for Diabetics) will have menu plans and it's always coffee and tea. Even when hot we do the iced coffee and teas of course. But juice is always in the house for when my sugar tanks and I'm in need. So yay for juice!
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