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    Re: Death Penalty: Support It Or Against It

    Quote Originally Posted by anunitu View Post
    Define Justice,is that eye for an eye,or another type of justice? And does eye foe an eye really ease the pain of the person graving for their lost loved one?
    Some feel that using the death sentence(people that have been victims because they lost someone) is almost as bad as what the person did to their loved one.
    I do not know what the proper solution is,BUT I will admit thinking to myself at times "Fry the Mother,the crime was that bad",so I waffle on it at times myself.
    Some may feel that way but for many others putting to death the killer closes a very painful chapter for them. There is no easy answer to be sure. I think all people have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness until they step over their rights and infringe on another's rights. It's that simple. You can believe, think, say or do anything you want as long as it does not infringe on my rights.

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    Re: Death Penalty: Support It Or Against It

    Iffin' you find out that you've killed an innocent person, can't ya just tell his/her family "Oops. Twenty-four other families got justice, though, so it evens out," and be done with it?

    Is it, maybe, a gross infringment on somebody's rights to kill them for something he/she did not do?

    Are rights really what is being argued here?

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    Likewise, if PaganMafia says the the justice system is biased against black folk, and Taulmaril counters with "No, it's not black folk, it's poor folk getting screwed," I can't see where or how Taulmaril has added any beef to his aguement because, if any group at all is getting screwed (and both agree that some group is), than PaganMafia has made his point - the justice system is unfair.
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    Re: Death Penalty: Support It Or Against It

    The justice system is catered toward the rich. So is the rest of the world.
    Ergo the world is unfair.
    Ergo sky is blue.
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    Re: Death Penalty: Support It Or Against It

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    The justice system is catered toward the rich. So is the rest of the world.
    Ergo the world is unfair.
    Ergo sky is blue.
    QED.

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    Re: Death Penalty: Support It Or Against It

    I noticed that no one made the-argument that murder is wrong, even if the government is doing it. Just my two cents.

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    Re: Death Penalty: Support It Or Against It

    Quote Originally Posted by pillar View Post
    I noticed that no one made the-argument that murder is wrong, even if the government is doing it. Just my two cents.
    Because it would be irrelevant. Murder is not a synonym for killing. Murder is specifically "the unlawful killing of a human being". The government can be guilty of murder but capital punishment generally won't qualify. Now you can try for "killing is wrong, even if the government is doing it" but expect a lot of counters that have nothing to do with capital punishment.
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    Re: Death Penalty: Support It Or Against It

    I support the death penalty where there is incontrovertible evidence. There's a case going on now in Springfield, MO where a 10 year old girl was taken and killed. Someone saw a man pull her into his car. They found her body in his basement. This is dragging on in the courts for some reason but everyone and their cat's ghost knows he did it.

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    Re: Death Penalty: Support It Or Against It

    Murder is wrong but killing is not always murder. If two or three guys are coming at you with baseball bats and you defend yourself by killing one of them so the other two run away that is not murder. It is killing in self defense.
    Yes, I believe in the death penalty. I do not trust the legal system to determine guilt. I have seen too many abuses of those generating "evidence" and too many jurors who decide guilt on how they "feel" about the accused. Is the death penalty a deterrent for crime? NO! It is one way to rid society of the worst dangers to themselves.
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    Re: Death Penalty: Support It Or Against It

    Self defense fantasies about killing dudes with baseball bats aside, it seems impossible to reconcile all my earlier points with having a death penalty. It is something that "feels" right but so often is not. I think we have this warped sense that justice should be what "feels good" for us and the victims. I have always thought that to be a fundamentally flawed way to view the penal system. I would think that if our intentions were to reduce crime we would focus less on justice and more on what actually reduces crime. Whether it be programs that offer prisoners a future-thus a lower recidivism rate-or addressing the class issues and societal issues that lead to high crime rates in working class communities. That however could be a topic in itself.

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    Re: Death Penalty: Support It Or Against It

    Quote Originally Posted by pillar View Post
    I noticed that no one made the-argument that murder is wrong, even if the government is doing it. Just my two cents.
    You might want to ask a murder victim about this.
    oh wait.


    hey, I know! How about ask a murderer if murder is wrong.
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