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    Forced chemotherapy? Yay or ixnay?

    Teenager who was to forced to undergo chemotherapy by courts reveals that her cancer has RETURNED after she was forced to undergo the grueling treatment against her will

    ~Cassandra Callender, of Windsor Locks, Connecticut was forced to undergo chemotherapy for her cancer last year

    ~She revealed on Facebook over the weekend that it had returned and posted a photo of the mass in her lungs
    Callender, who is now 18, said she

    ~ will begin seeking 'alternative treatments'
    She had refused chemotherapy saying she did not want to poison her body as a minor, but the courts forced her to get treatment
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    So what say you on this? As the article reads, most states have a mature minors' doctrine allowing minors to make their own medical decisions. But I guess because she ran away, they figured she's acting just like a normal minor and not a 'mature' minor. I kind of feel as if she's only now able to make her own decisions on the rest of her medical care and alternative medical routes mainly because they gave her the chemotherapy in the first place.

    In essence, she's alive enough to complain and sorta comes off as ungrateful for the privilege the living have..to complain about their life.

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    Re: Forced chemotherapy? Yay or ixnay?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
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    So what say you on this? As the article reads, most states have a mature minors' doctrine allowing minors to make their own medical decisions. But I guess because she ran away, they figured she's acting just like a normal minor and not a 'mature' minor. I kind of feel as if she's only now able to make her own decisions on the rest of her medical care and alternative medical routes mainly because they gave her the chemotherapy in the first place.

    In essence, she's alive enough to complain and sorta comes off as ungrateful for the privilege the living have..to complain about their life.

    Your views?
    If she didn't want treatment they shouldn't have forced her. If she wants to try "alternative treatment" while she's already sick as hell they should let her. It'll be her with the high risk of dying.
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    Re: Forced chemotherapy? Yay or ixnay?

    Oh she can try any treatment now. They kept her alive long enough to be an adult and make her own decisions. Thanks government for making me live.
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    Re: Forced chemotherapy? Yay or ixnay?

    "Chemotherapy successfully removed my cancer. It came back. Obviously chemotherapy is poison. I will now follow the alternative and herbal healing page my friend shared on Facebook. "

    On whether minors should be forced to undergo medical treatment, I don't know. Obviously it is a grey area and situational. There probably isn't a right answer. Either way someone's Rights, freedoms, and potentially deadly psuedo-scientific beliefs are going to be violated.

    One situation where I would think the State should intervene if is the parent is refusing life saving treatment for the child, for whatever reason.
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    Re: Forced chemotherapy? Yay or ixnay?

    I didn't answer your actual question. No forcing of the treatment
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    Re: Forced chemotherapy? Yay or ixnay?

    I'm hate to say this but I believe that everybody have a right to refuse chemotherapy and no court or governament shouldn't forced the person against their will to use treatment. If she want to continue to live life and let the cancer takes it course I say let her be. And I know I'm going to get a lot of hate on this but I don't care. I say let live without treatment.

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    Re: Forced chemotherapy? Yay or ixnay?

    Now? She's 18 and its her life or death.

    Last year when the issue was forced...

    So here's my issue with this case. The article says the girl and her mother disagreed. It goes on to say that DCF removed the child from her home to compel treatment. It does not mention a father figure with custody pushing the issue. I can take this one of two ways,

    1) The article is bordering on flat-out lying with all the details it's omitting and we have a case where one parent argued for while the other parent and the child argued against culminating in DCF going for.

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    2) DCF just flat-out overruled both the minor and her legal guardian.

    I'm going to presume that we're dealing with scenario 2 unless evidence to the contrary is presented. I don't necessarily take issue with courts overruling minors on medical care though I think doing so when the minor is 17 might be pushing it. I don't take issue with court's overruling parents on medical care for the minor, especially if the minor is in favor of care. I have much larger issues when a court tells a minor and the minor's legal guardian who are unified in opposition that care will be provided anyway. I won't say it should never happen but I think the bar to get over before doing so should be extremely high and I'm somewhat skeptical of this particular decision.

    TL;DR, I think it's a matter best decided case by case and I have real issues with either this article or this case.
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    Re: Forced chemotherapy? Yay or ixnay?

    Ah, the good old beneficence vs. autonomy dilemma...this totally could have come from the pages of Beauchamp and Childress' Principles of Biomedical Ethics.

    Should someone with the legal age that lacks both the maturity and knowledge to make a fully informed decision, be allowed to ultimately kill herself with her ill-conceived misinformation?
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    Re: Forced chemotherapy? Yay or ixnay?

    As someone who has gone through chemo as a teen and now as a young adult able to make my own choices it comes down to several factors when considering treatment. Mainly....

    1.) life expectancy with or without treatment due to type of cancer
    2.) are the effects of the treatment worth it based on #1

    the first time I was in no condition to have this consideration, I was too sick to make a choice in the beginning and a minor. After starting chemo the first time around, during I wanted it to stop and I wanted to die because the effects were that bad especially after having multiple surgeries. Sometimes it's just easier to give up than to suffer through it. I made it through, got better even with the knowledge my type is reoccurring. Now as an adult and going through it again, be it with a better type of chemo than the first time, the effects are still horrible. I get sick and can't eat or sometimes move for days, I can't drink or even touch ANYTHING cold or my skin turns to fire for hours, I have to avoid sunlight after treatment. Even with all of that its my sheer will that allows me to continue with life and treatment. But that's me. I have goals to reach before my time comes and I'm determined. Not everyone is like me and can do that.

    That all being said, sometimes with some people the struggle is not worth the extra years of life whether you are a minor or an adult. Your sense of mortality at any age depends on your knowledge of your potential to surpass such a horrible disease and your physical and mental strength. If a minor is given all the knowledge and understands the risks with or without treatment who is anyone to tell them they must do or die? Unless you are that person you haven't the right.

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    Re: Forced chemotherapy? Yay or ixnay?

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    Ah, the good old beneficence vs. autonomy dilemma...this totally could have come from the pages of Beauchamp and Childress' Principles of Biomedical Ethics.

    Should someone with the legal age that lacks both the maturity and knowledge to make a fully informed decision, be allowed to ultimately kill herself with her ill-conceived misinformation?
    Yes. But she wasn't at legal age at the time.
    Though both her and her mother agreed to alternative treatment together.
    This isn't about her rights now. She's got a right to rot away with her dumb ass all she wants and eat beet root and drink mushroom juice.

    But if the kid was 3 and couldn't agree/disagree with her parents, does the state have the right to force treatment? We seem to think so when the parent does it for their own religious whacko reason as in medicine in the devil etc etc.

    Now the kid is 10. And the kid 'agrees' with the parents to no mainstream treatment. Is the kid capable of making this decision?

    But the kid was 17 and had run a way and was deemed immature and not a mature minor.

    I have no hard opinion. I'm just wondering where the line is.
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