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    Re: Everybody is boycotting North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by monsno_leedra View Post
    That, to me anyway, is the part that keeps being omitted here, it's not adults in a bathroom / lavatory setting it's mostly the presumption of children / young adults being in them.

    My husband has been taking our daughter and I've been taking our son into the bathroom with us when the other parent wasn't there since they were born until just a few years ago for my daughter and last year for my son. Stalls are a thing. Please, what the heck are they realistically going to see because a woman that was born a man is washing her hands in the same sink that my kids are?

    Even lots of locker rooms have changing stalls now, and if they don't, they should--some people have issues with their body image or with the public. And smart establishments that have kids patrons and visitors also have "family" changing rooms and bathrooms.





    Here's the thing (and I absolutely do not think you are doing this Monsno, just that I've now seen some variation of it at least a dozen times now from my mouth breathing relatives)--anyone that thinks this through knows that this:

    "boys will pretend they are girls to get in their locker room and take advantage of them" (paraphrased from the idiotic social media posts that I have personally encountered)

    ...is complete and utter BS.

    No boy (or girl) is going to voluntarily go through the traumatizingly shitty experience of identifying as transexual* to get a lookey-loo at some tatas (or wang) outside of a terrible 80s movie, and if a boy (or girl) were going to use a restroom as a place to pick out a target for rape, it would be because they were a budding sexual predator, not because they were trans, and they'd do it regardless of some law significantly less punitive.

    I'd hazard to guess that a boy child is statistically speaking more likely at risk in a mens bathroom (or a confessional, a classroom, etc) from a pedophile than they are from a genetic female using the mens room (or vice versa).


    *ETA this should have said transgendered...I was, unfortunately, multitasking while writing this thread and didn't even notice that my Tim Curry conversation with the hubby slipped in to my typing til I reread...
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    Re: Everybody is boycotting North Carolina

    Interestingly I remember being in Taiwan Kaohsiung city,and a bathroom near the docks. Went in and an old lady was taking a dump over what is known as a benjo ditch in the Philippines.

    Basically a trench with water running in it. And no gender thing,come as you are..unisex.
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    Re: Everybody is boycotting North Carolina

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    My husband has been taking our daughter and I've been taking our son into the bathroom with us when the other parent wasn't there since they were born until just a few years ago for my daughter and last year for my son. Stalls are a thing. Please, what the heck are they realistically going to see because a woman that was born a man is washing her hands in the same sink that my kids are?
    We did the same with the wife taking the boys into the women's bathroom though have to admit I can't think of a time I took our granddaughter into the men's room. But then again there is hardly any time we're out that it's not both of us with them.

    Just a guess but some of what I keep hearing and have seen in many school type settings is the fact a lot of bathrooms do not have stall doors. Some are pressing just to have stall walls. Don't know how many fair grounds, park grounds, etc that do not have doors on the stalls. But then again that tends to be in more rural areas than the cities or even urban areas. Still find the trough urinals in some areas, but again that seems more rural than city or urban in usage.

    Even lots of locker rooms have changing stalls now, and if they don't, they should--some people have issues with their body image or with the public. And smart establishments that have kids patrons and visitors also have "family" changing rooms and bathrooms.
    They should but again I think your also dealing with the idea of rural / country and urban / city in how things are done. Been years since I've been to some areas of the South but still recall open changing areas at public pools, lakes and large ponds with swimming areas. It's almost a culture of its own in how things were done and that sense of expectations of privacy or lack there of. Sort of like the old stories where you peeked into the girls locker room and the idea of privacy was nearly non-existent as you had lockers back to back and benches between them.

    It seems, to me anyway, that a lot of the South in that regard still has that eroticism / tabooism going on regarding changing areas. That aspect is more the argument than actual bathroom facilities for washing or using a toilet. Yet it also touches upon that "Princess' concept though I couldn't explain it to save my life as it seem's to change from person to person and area to area when it comes to their daughters / grand-daughter's / wives.

    Here's the thing (and I absolutely do not think you are doing this Monsno, just that I've now seen some variation of it at least a dozen times now from my mouth breathing relatives)--anyone that thinks this through knows that this:

    "boys will pretend they are girls to get in their locker room and take advantage of them" (paraphrased from the idiotic social media posts that I have personally encountered)

    ...is complete and utter BS.
    Thank you. Like you i've heard so many aspects and the presumption of what will happen.

    No boy (or girl) is going to voluntarily go through the traumatizingly shitty experience of identifying as transexual to get a lookey-loo at some tatas (or wang) outside of a terrible 80s movie, and if a boy (or girl) were going to use a restroom as a place to pick out a target for rape, it would be because they were a budding sexual predator, not because they were trans, and they'd do it regardless of some law significantly less punitive.
    I think the idea of them doing it to be transexual is the mistake though. It's not that they would do it to experience being transgender'd but to exploit it. I do agree though it's more likely to be a budding sexual predator or seasoned one that will exploit it.

    I'd hazard to guess that a boy child is statistically speaking more likely at risk in a mens bathroom (or a confessional, a classroom, etc) from a pedophile than they are from a genetic female using the mens room (or vice versa).
    Oh I don't disagree at all. But I think part of that goes back to the notion of males being the main predator which ignores the fact there are women predators as well. From a sexual predator aspect it's just as likely as man would act the role to get a young girl as a woman acting the role to get a boy. Consider just how many times we see articles of the 20 something male / female trying to pass themselves off as teenagers. They seek to have sexual experiences with them but also re-experience those teenage years. Which it seems that is one aspect that it appears we see more women involved in than men.

    In many ways though it goes back to the idea that is you give them an opportunity and means then there will be those who will exploit it. Doesn't matter if they are male or female if it gives them access to children or young adults in the early to mid teen range.
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    ahhh,Garrison Keillor...a friend introduced me to him and A Prairie home companion...very nice voice and soothing as well.
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    Re: Everybody is boycotting North Carolina

    Um. Oopsie. I somehow have administrative authority. i moved this thread just to see if I could. And I can. I don't know what to do now.

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    Re: Everybody is boycotting North Carolina

    On the up side...

    At the staff meeting yesterday, the "out" lesbian teacher (no, she doesn't teach gym) gave a long, impassioned plea for treating LGBTQ students with courtesy and respect, regardless of one's personal beliefs.

    It was fully sactioned by the school, and I really hope that people in teaching (who need to) wise up a bit. It's not our job hurt or humiliate. It IS our job to make sure ALL students feel comfortable and respected in our classrooms.
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    Re: Everybody is boycotting North Carolina

    And, at least for schools, the courts have spoken (if you are in the 4th circuit*):

    http://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/Opinions...d/152056.P.pdf

    *4th circuit includes Maryland, Virginia and W Virginia, and both N and S Carolina
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    Re: Everybody is boycotting North Carolina

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    And, at least for schools, the courts have spoken (if you are in the 4th circuit*):

    http://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/Opinions...d/152056.P.pdf

    *4th circuit includes Maryland, Virginia and W Virginia, and both N and S Carolina
    I'd be interested to see the boys start showing up in dresses in order to get a peak at girls going potty...

    ...and are people really so out of control that the mere glimpse of a female body causes them to go on a rape spree? There are some serious issues here, and it's not the trans people demonstrating a brain problem...

    (Who comes up with this kind of stuff? Do they know they're loony?)
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    Re: Everybody is boycotting North Carolina

    can someone moves this back to debates?
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