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    Re: Does Grammar, Spelling, Wording, etc. Matter in Spells, Rituals, etc.?

    Quote Originally Posted by anunitu View Post
    If you look at OLD english magical parchments,it would make you go.."How do I pronounce THAT?"

    Stuff here.

    Pic here.


    So if you wanted to do a spell,using the old english original...wondering just how you would proceed.
    Well, I think I would go back to something like the Lacnunga and take if from there. Actually Old English isn't that hard to speak, once you get the hang of it (although there are such things as Old English Grammar Nazis who pounce upon the slightest infraction.'

    I remember once doing a talk at Witchfest international and actually reciting a spell in Anglo-Saxon. I don't know whether anyone present actually got their cattle back, but the audience said it made shivers run up and down their spines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post

    I'd kind of think that the mighty ones, if worthy of the title, understand the difference between literacy and lazyness. Doing the prep work as well as one is able relates to literacy - not everybody has a good, formal education - but working below one's ability relates to being lazy, and demonstrates disrespect.

    (The Christian gospels were originally written in extremely bad Greek - the equivelent of modern day ebonics)
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    Re: Does Grammar, Spelling, Wording, etc. Matter in Spells, Rituals, etc.?

    But then Ms. P,you actually can speak and understand welsh....so you have a big head start on us 'Mericans and our strange off shoots of our modern english.

    Think about those that believe you should write in Emoji...
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    Re: Does Grammar, Spelling, Wording, etc. Matter in Spells, Rituals, etc.?

    There's a belief that lesser spirits need to be called on by the right name, rightly pronounced. The Chaldean Oracles warn us to "never alter the native names" and ancient magical papyri are full of them. But gods are a different matter: if Isis could cope with being called Rusat by Cheops and Esi by Cleopatra, they can't be too fussy. Obviously the language of a prayer or hymn should be the best you can do, out of respect.

    As for magic in the strict sense, if the words work for you, then surely that's all that matters.

    Spelling? Well, inscriptions on a talisman obviously matter, but if it's a text you're going to read, then if you know what it means, who cares?

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    Re: Does Grammar, Spelling, Wording, etc. Matter in Spells, Rituals, etc.?

    Quote Originally Posted by anunitu View Post
    But then Ms. P,you actually can speak and understand welsh....so you have a big head start on us 'Mericans and our strange off shoots of our modern english.

    Think about those that believe you should write in Emoji...
    Wish I could speak and understand Welsh fluently, I really do. Instead I learned French, German and Latin in my youth... The others (including Old English/Anglo-Saxon) came much later.

    Mr P can speak Welsh... I can just sit there and listen to him read it sometimes. It sounds so beautiful!
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    Re: Does Grammar, Spelling, Wording, etc. Matter in Spells, Rituals, etc.?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    I read this correctly, saw the lemon, thought 'why is there a lemon?' And then realized the joke.

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    Re: Does Grammar, Spelling, Wording, etc. Matter in Spells, Rituals, etc.?

    It is a subtle joke is all.
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    Re: Does Grammar, Spelling, Wording, etc. Matter in Spells, Rituals, etc.?

    Took me a while though
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    Re: Does Grammar, Spelling, Wording, etc. Matter in Spells, Rituals, etc.?

    That sort of misreading can actually happen. Years ago some-one asked me about the angel Offied: I finally worked out it was Cassiel in 16th century English handwriting. It reminded me of that poem by Robert Graves that ends "It's an old story - f's for s's - but good enough for them, the suckers."

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    Re: Does Grammar, Spelling, Wording, etc. Matter in Spells, Rituals, etc.?

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidMcCann View Post
    That sort of misreading can actually happen. Years ago some-one asked me about the angel Offied: I finally worked out it was Cassiel in 16th century English handwriting. It reminded me of that poem by Robert Graves that ends "It's an old story - f's for s's - but good enough for them, the suckers."
    That's brilliant!
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