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    As some of you may know, I live at home because I can't afford to live on my own with the disability. Mom has been, up until ten minutes ago, tolerant of me begin pagan. Shr just came in and said that I can't have any of my pagan stuff in the house--not even in the garage--because she feels god doesn't want it in the house. To the point where she said I can either do it or move out. I can't keep anything in storage either. I have to throw it all out or get it off the property by the end of the day.

    I'm in shock, angry, and betrayed. This as apparently been "weighing on her mind", but it's the first I've heard of it. I don't really have a choice here. I'm not throwing my shrine and altar stuff out--they're sacred objects to me. Im going to see if I can store then with a friend. But I'm left floundering at being suddenly told that I'm no longer allowed to visibly have any signs of my spirituality in the house.
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    Re: Hide or Leave

    That sucks Habbs,one thing you might consider,depending where you are is a low income disabled housing. I live in a senior low income place. Mainly HUD.

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    Is she in a kind of negative Christian environment? You know like the ones that went kinda crazy about Harry Potter.
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    I you call social services, DHHR whatever it may be in your area and tell them you will homeless today they will help you find housing.

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    Its not fair of her, but honestly, its her house.

    The hard truth is that, you've gotta follow those rules, or get out.

    What's more important: some objects, or having housing?
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    Yeah. I know it's her house. But when this has been just fine for years, it's kind of a shock to me. I have nowhere to go, so of course I have to pack everything spiritual up.
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    What IS unfair is that this is a sudden decision. What a lovely god she follows to talk of throwing you out at the end of the day. If she said 'Look, I can't be doing with this stuff, you'll have to get rid of it or leave by the end of the month,' that's different. !
    Get help. Get rehomed if humanly possible. Such gods are far more dangerous than anything you are likely to have in the house.
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    You would have to check with your exact city and state laws (find your local legal aid group) AND you'd have to decide if its worth going through all this or not (because, as said, its your mom and her house)...but...legally, you may not be obligated to do any of that.

    This may not help matters any, and the exact determination of this really depends on your state, but in the state where I previously lived it would have gone like this: Her house or not and your mom or not, as a legal adult living in her home with her knowledge and consent, should be covered by landlord/tenant laws. In all technicality, you are at this point, a roommate. If there is no lease, you are considered a month-to-month tenant (albeit one that probably pays little to no rent--if you do contribute to expenses, your argument is effectively stronger). To get you to move out, she would have to legally proceed to do so, even then, an eviction notice is required to give the person being kicked out time to go. Legally, a landlord can't make you get rid of what are essentially legal, and protected items--tbh, that's extortion (even if it might not meet the legal definition of it).

    Furthermore, if you are considered financially dependent on her because of your disability (and your disability is recognized and documented legally and medically), what she is doing could even be considered abuse. I don't know where you are or your exact situation, but there may be organizations that could help you find more suitable housing.
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    I would say,try and find other housing,because even if you win a judgment,it would still be very hard to deal with the relative because they might accuse you of casting a spell to win(you know it could go there)..Better if you can get your own digs..low income housing is your friend.

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    From how quickly this went down,I suspect someone has gotten to her with religious fear. I have seen people go "religious fanatic" because of other people.
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    Re: Hide or Leave

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    You would have to check with your exact city and state laws (find your local legal aid group) AND you'd have to decide if its worth going through all this or not (because, as said, its your mom and her house)...but...legally, you may not be obligated to do any of that.

    This may not help matters any, and the exact determination of this really depends on your state, but in the state where I previously lived it would have gone like this: Her house or not and your mom or not, as a legal adult living in her home with her knowledge and consent, should be covered by landlord/tenant laws. In all technicality, you are at this point, a roommate. If there is no lease, you are considered a month-to-month tenant (albeit one that probably pays little to no rent--if you do contribute to expenses, your argument is effectively stronger). To get you to move out, she would have to legally proceed to do so, even then, an eviction notice is required to give the person being kicked out time to go. Legally, a landlord can't make you get rid of what are essentially legal, and protected items--tbh, that's extortion (even if it might not meet the legal definition of it).

    Furthermore, if you are considered financially dependent on her because of your disability (and your disability is recognized and documented legally and medically), what she is doing could even be considered abuse. I don't know where you are or your exact situation, but there may be organizations that could help you find more suitable housing.
    On one hand, that's a very convenient set of protections to have. On another, it's damn scary. Note to self, never let someone live with me without binding written agreements first.
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    I hope this all turns out well for you. Just because someone gave birth doesn't make them a perfect, unconditionally loving person, even if the one they gave birth to is you. They're just people. And sometimes they look much better in the rear view mirror.

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