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    Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

    Might do as a separate thread. Back in the 70's I used to glaze over hearing those "Revolutionaries" rant on about everything.. and as I said,they mostly went on to become yuppies. The ones that kept going were in the SDS and the weathermen and also the SLA...many died,some went to jail,and others went on the run...but the revolution never arrived...
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    Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

    What? If you're just trying to call me stupid no reason to beat around the bush just say it. Do you actually have something constructive to say on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anunitu View Post
    Might do as a separate thread. Back in the 70's I used to glaze over hearing those "Revolutionaries" rant on about everything.. and as I said,they mostly went on to become yuppies. The ones that kept going were in the SDS and the weathermen and also the SLA...many died,some went to jail,and others went on the run...but the revolution never arrived...
    Yep, middle class whites went on to keep being middle class. Meanwhile the State cracked down, jailed and murdered the minority Revolutionary groups. I'm far from a yuppy. I was in the military. I saw the bullshit and Imperialism first hand-was a part of it. That's where my passion comes from not some college campus. So, laugh at my opinions all you want but I care about this shit more than anything else. It's all I read about. It's all Im involved in. Social and economic justice and the come uppance of the working class.

    Have ya'lls laugh.

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    Please,you are not the only one here that served in the Military. Vietnam killed many of my friends,war happens mainly because humans are one of the stupidest creatures on this planet. Everyone is going to save the world,but usually just ends up screwing things up even worse. It is not the first rodeo for many of us,having seen things repeat over and over because some people still think it will come out different and life will be better. There really is nothing new under the sun..just people who believe their thoughts are all shiny and new,and they will have a different outcome.

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    Give it about 20 years..and you "Might" end up like Abby Hoffman.

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    Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

    Yeah, but I don't sit here and talk about having a laugh at your opinion. I'm fucking abrasive but I don't dismiss what you have to say because it doesn't fit in my worldview.

    I don't talk aboit my military experience at all but when I do it's to explain why I see things this way. And thats the only time I will bring it up.

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    A lot of Vets are living on the streets because of how war screwed them up, and I do understand why you feel the way you do. The world is a very harsh place,and people suffer and die because mostly others do not care for anything but their own needs. If this country was better,there would not be homeless people,their would never have been gay bashing that killed people,or lynching of blacks,or strike breakers that were sometimes off duty cops with clubs. Money is the drug that most are addicted to..even when we say to ourselves we are not "Hooked"

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    Bernie moved the marker a lot left..better than no movement at all. I do believe we have not heard the last from him also....He will be up Hillary's butt scratching away to make sure the changes stay.
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    Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaganMafia View Post
    What? If you're just trying to call me stupid no reason to beat around the bush just say it. Do you actually have something constructive to say on it?
    No, not trying to call you stupid. Just trying to find out if you are...

    ...so, can you answer the questions...

    ... and say something constructive that isn't empty jingoistic Blablabla?
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    Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    No, not trying to call you stupid. Just trying to find out if you are...

    ...so, can you answer the questions...

    ... and say something constructive that isn't empty jingoistic Blablabla?
    I haven't said anything jingoistic. I would think my beliefs would be anti-jingoistic. But, in reference to Marxism, bourgeoisie is the social class that controls production. They are the class that is most invested in the current economic order. Whereas the working class(the protoleriat) have no control over production and limited social mobility due to institutions that were put in place to maintain order among the working class(the police and priaons being a good example of this).

    As for Revolution I my visions is mass radical and working class movements and the means of production being siezed and controlled by the workers. The closest thing to that we have seen in the U.S. was the Labor movements. Subterranean Fire bySharon Smith is an excellent book on the subject.

    Dialectical materialism which is the foundation of Marxist thought is a system of anyalyais on social change and evolution(it's a touch subject. I'm still getting my head around dialectics). The Logic of Marxism by Novack is a great begginers guide into Dialectics. The Meaning of Marxism by Paul D'amoto has a good introductory chapter of dialectical materialism.

    Engel's Socialism: Utopian and Scientific is a really good read. Lately I've been reading critical views on the U.S. Democratic Party. Democrats: A Critical History by Lance Selfa and No One Was Killed: The Democratic National Convention August 1968.

    Next on my reading list is Marx's Capital I,II, and III.

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    Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

    The Isms tend to structure much as religion does,the dogma of the ISM does not change even when it should as the world changes. Generally revolution as solution does not fare well. I include Capitalism in those ISMS as well. Not unlike the old "Mother church" most will not yield to change,and even outright war and Murder might come into play to keep the ISMS from being changed.

    What is right,does not always win out,and what is wrong is sometimes destroyed by the weight of its own greed and inner rot.

    Time consumes everything,humans as well as great society's have fallen by the wayside. In the span of eternity,everything has its end.

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    Re: ONLY AUTHORIZED ELECTION NEWS THREAD--no debating allowed

    People's revolution has always been a succesful mechism for societal change except when external forces undermine it. The CIA has been the most counterrevolutionary force in the world in this manner. The war on drugs, the militarized police, the FBI have all worked very hard to destroy any semblance of organized working class movements in this country. Fear of change ia no reason to keep the status quo.

    Especially since we are going to elect a President who qill probabluly embroil us in more senseless war and continue the polocy of environmental destruction.

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