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    Re: Women only train carriages (cars)

    It's honestly sad that this is a consideration.

    To start with this IS segregation, albeit willing and self imposed. It's separating a group (women) from the main body (unisex society). The negative connotations associated with the word can generally be thrown out of the window, it's not being forced upon women by society for bad reasons.

    I have a couple of issues with the idea (that doesn't mean I'm not for it, however) that can be summed up as; it prioritises women, and it's designed to cure the symptoms instead of solving the problem.

    I'm a guy, I've been groped, by both sexes. My experience probably doesn't come close to the levels that some women experience. But by prioritising 'female only' it completely leaves men out the loop. We can still be molested, how does this solve the problem?
    Also, how does it help a woman's confidence if society is now telling her she has to hide from it's flaws?
    instead of having a 'no men zone' it should be a 'safe zone'. A place ANYONE can go if they're made to feel uncomfortable by the actions of another.

    Finally, While this issue is represented the most as a male-instigated women-victim problem, to genderise it is to miss 50% of the point.
    People are molesting other people in transit, why is there not a more concentrated effort to stop all antisocial behaviour like this?
    Instead of separating all the people into groups where they can play nice? Why not just make it more apparent rough play isn't accepted?
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    Re: Women only train carriages (cars)

    Quote Originally Posted by Denarius View Post
    No different than having white only cars so they don't have to deal with the uncivilized black folk.
    Since this is the debate section, your post actually made me think about this more deeply and look at it from another point of view that I never thought about. So thanks! But to be honest I'm not quite there yet, I still disagree that it's the same thing.

    Women wanting an only women changing room is not the same as white men wanting an only white changing room. Granted having a car or two just for women is also NOT the same as the changing room example I gave, but it's also not the same as the example you gave. It's not as black and white as it seems to be.

    Is it important to have everyone in the same cars, and have everyone respect each other inside? Yes.

    Is it good to have a car just for women especially during rush hours where everyone is crammed together and bodies are against bodies? Also yes.

    And by the way, I'm also saying this as a male. When it's crowded and bodies are touching and stuff it's very uncomfortable for me because I have to watch it and kinda hold myself really in place so I don't accidentally touch a female in a way she doesn't like, as opposed to just being around guys where we can pretty much slam against each other and it wouldn't be that big of a deal.

    So I don't know, it's really something to think about...
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    Re: Women only train carriages (cars)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dumuzi View Post
    Is it good to have a car just for women especially during rush hours where everyone is crammed together and bodies are against bodies? Also yes.
    In arguments about this, it's usually about actual molestation. Especially when it's specifically about Japanese trains. The problem there being especially bad given just how absurdly crowded their trains are, and how repressed and stigmatized sex and sexuality is in Japanese culture, as well as the unique problems Japanese men and women are having in that regard.

    Japan is very conformist, there is a lot of pressure to keep your head down and toe the line. To be disciplined and polite, to not stand out from the crowd. Making a scene is a huge taboo. It is somehow less embarrassing to disguise yourself as a vending machine than it is make a scene.

    So you have the twofold problem of women not wanting to draw attention to themselves, and the people around her not wanting to get involved. Combine that with rampant sexual dissatisfaction and frustration, as well as a notoriously corrupt police and court system, and you can start to see why this is such a HUGE problem for them specifically. The absurd crowding doesn't help either.

    The situation you brought up IS a problem, but it's also one that is not going to go away unless we address the underlying issues. The common issue in both cases being trains are too crowded.

    It also comes from the perception that women's bodies are more sexualized and/or intimate than men's, heteronormativity, the idea that men are the aggressors, chivalry, and various other ideas and double standards we have about sex, gender, and sexuality that I'd get into but this post is too long as is so I'll keep it relatively brief.

    Crowding is a problem, groping is a problem. I don't see this is a viable solution to the second problem, and it may actually be detrimental to the first. It also does nothing to stop women being groped in mixed cars, and again may actually be making the problem worse.

    Unless you go full on unambiguous segregation and enforce the divide, which still wouldn't solve the crowd problem and probably not even the groping problem either.

    I've already said my bit on that in my first post.
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    Re: Women only train carriages (cars)

    I think it's sexist. Why does the cars have to be women only? They should give it to men as well.

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    Point is: Is it chosen by those effected,or enacted by others as a way of controlling. If women choose the separate cars,then that is their choice. same pertains to men,Choice is the factor that determines if it is best for those effected. Think on the idea that MEN decide the ability for birth control for women,or any other choice women should be able to choose for themselves. No Man would abide others controlling their choices..but at times half of human kind are not allowed a choice(Voting rights denied Women and minority's) and in the range of time not all that long ago..
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    Re: Women only train carriages (cars)

    TBH, the idea that women need a women-only train car isn't based on the idea that women need protection or that women are more frequently victimized by men. It's based on the idea that men can't control themselves around a woman. Honestly, I would think men would be insulted. As a woman, I am certainly insulted--both for myself and for my husband and son. This very idea is the same reason that women usually get the kids in a custody case, the same reason why women get alimony more often than men, the same reason that women are more often SAHMs, etc.
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    I'm all for it.

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    And if you choose it,then its all good..
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    Re: Women only train carriages (cars)

    Choosing it for myself - fine.
    Having someone else say 'You're a woman, go and sit in that carriage' not so fine.

    Trains don't even need to be crowded for some people to sexually harrass others. If you get a seat and discover someone sitting nearby, staring, and with his hand in his trousers... yes, it does happen.
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    Re: Women only train carriages (cars)

    As much as I hate the idea, it has become necessary in some places. In India, where this whole thing started, gang rapes are unfortunately common on public transportation. In the UK, where they're considering it (and probably other places, too), women still get harassed and groped on a regular basis.

    This isn't about segregating women or forcing them to sit elsewhere. Women are free to sit in any other carriage. It was women who called for this. It's about offering a safe place to women in a public area where they often do *not* feel safe. If so many men weren't still groping women on the train, this wouldn't be happening. It's not up to me to say what other women feel threatened by. I've been groped and harassed on the train, but still feel safe in general. Some women do not, especially if they have had worse experiences.

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