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    Re: Women only train carriages (cars)

    Quote Originally Posted by DanieMarie View Post
    In India, where this whole thing started
    Actually, it started in Japan and over a hundred years ago at that.

    This isn't about segregating women or forcing them to sit elsewhere.
    Yeah, it's about segregating everybody and forcing men to sit elsewhere.
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    Solution...Just give all of us our own personal Limo..no crowding...just cruising along in our luxury auto mobile..Its a convoy!!!!

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    Re: Women only train carriages (cars)

    Healthy dose of reality - In places where women are not safe in the company of men they need a place where there are not men.

    Theoretically, Is it better to expect men to behave as if they were decent human beings? Sure. That's a good long term goal. But in the short term, does it help anybody? Nope.

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    Re: Women only train carriages (cars)

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    In places where women are not safe in the company of men they need a place where there are not men.
    Exactly, we just need to look at the statistics and respect people's feelings. No one should be forced to associate with people they can't feel safe around.
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    Re: Women only train carriages (cars)

    How about a greater police presence? Lock up the harassers. Better yet, throw them off the train when it's moving at high speed.

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    Re: Women only train carriages (cars)

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkfeathers View Post
    How about a greater police presence? Lock up the harassers...
    That would work as well, I imagine, should people be willing to pay for it.

    In some places, in the old days, there was self-policing. People discouraged public rudeness - but these days discouraging public rudeness seems to be the rudest thing one can do, unless it happens to be the current PC fashionable thing to hate.
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    Re: Women only train carriages (cars)

    It does work when and where resources are available. My friend and I were harassed on a train once by a bunch of drunk bachelor party guys from the sticks who were coming into the city (not touched or anything, they just wouldn't leave us alone). We asked the attendant to help us and she asked them to leave. When they said they had a right to sit there, she told them they were drunk and she'd call the police if they didn't choose one of the many free seats on the mostly empty train.

    That being said, not everywhere has extra police resources available, and not all train or public transport networks have the personnel available. And some places are dealing with police brutality issues, which doesn't exactly make people trust them.

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    Re: Women only train carriages (cars)

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    In some places, in the old days, there was self-policing. People discouraged public rudeness - but these days discouraging public rudeness seems to be the rudest thing one can do, unless it happens to be the current PC fashionable thing to hate.
    I don't know that I agree with this. I've read enough period letters and news articles to know that rude and lewd, even harassing behavior has historically been fairly standard--as has the failure of the public to step in and help those being harassed.

    Psychology doesn't change that much.
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    Re: Women only train carriages (cars)

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    I don't know that I agree with this. I've read enough period letters and news articles to know that rude and lewd, even harassing behavior has historically been fairly standard--as has the failure of the public to step in and help those being harassed.

    Psychology doesn't change that much.
    Yeah - that's why I inserted that qualifier (in some places)...
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    Re: Women only train carriages (cars)

    Quote Originally Posted by Denarius View Post

    Crowding is a problem, groping is a problem. I don't see this is a viable solution to the second problem, and it may actually be detrimental to the first. It also does nothing to stop women being groped in mixed cars, and again may actually be making the problem worse.
    This could be a real issue for ladies who choose to ride with the men. Some men may see it as an indication the woman wants to be groped. I liked what someone said earlier about making a non-gender specific safe zone instead of a ladies only carriage. That way, it becomes a human problem instead of a woman's problem.

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