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    Who controls the past controls the future

    In George Orwell's classic book about totalitarian government 1984, the main character's "job" was to destroy old information that the gooberment didn't like and replace it with a revised version - then instantly "forget" having done so.

    One of the beauties of science fiction is that, sometimes, it can so accurately predict the future (I can't help noticing this as I read Fahrenheit 451) - although the future doesn't always unfold the way it's predicted.

    Sooo... It turns out that it isn't really the gooberment we have to worry about... It's those massive companies that have control of information... Google, Apple, etc.

    Here's an interesting sign of things to come:

    Apple Stole My Music. No, Seriously.

    For about ten years, I’ve been warning people, “hang onto your media. One day, you won’t buy a movie. You’ll buy the right to watch a movie, and that movie will be served to you. If the companies serving the movie don’t want you to see it, or they want to change something, they will have the power to do so. They can alter history, and they can make you keep paying for things that you formerly could have bought. Information will be a utility rather than a possession. Even information that you yourself have created will require unending, recurring payments just to access.”

    When giving the above warning, however, even in my most Orwellian paranoia I never could have dreamed that the content holders, like Apple, would also reach into your computer and take away what you already owned...
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    Re: Who controls the past controls the future

    Apple demonstrates once again that it can't be trusted though I could see that stunt coming back to bite them eventually. Terms of use are annoying barriers but not always perfect. Anyway, yes, hold onto media that you value and if you see a book or movie that you really want to guarantee access to then get hard copy. I'm replacing a number of my fiction books with google play versions because right now, I value space and easy mobility more than the assured ownership of those novels but there is a distinct risk when you deal with e-books that you'll be screwed over.

    EDIT: Though this particular bit of screwing over the customer is far more egregious than I ever expected and I tend to think it should be followed by criminal prosecutions.
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    Re: Who controls the past controls the future

    Always keep hard copies of your data somewhere safe.

    The delete/import does seem pretty bad though. I use spotify and it recognises the songs/mp3s I have on my pc but it doesn't automatically import them (it does register that they are in my music however; I can see all the files on other devices, but I can't access them.)
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    My Cable Company does this with "Buy" a movie BUT it remains on their system,and if you bought it and then left for another provider,you lose your "Bought" movie. I love hard copy,something I can touch and see.
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    Re: Who controls the past controls the future

    Amazon did the same thing. Back in 2000, I got a Dell PC and they offered a free Dell music player. You copied all your physical cd's into it. When that was discontinued it was transferred into Yahoo, also free, then to Amazon, free for a while. When Amazon did their most recent update, a couple of my cd's were missing from my music files. I was able to re-do them and Amazon rejected at least one. I was able to copy it to Google music so i can play it on my phone, which was all I wanted.

    But, yeah, they are deleting my stuff which I pay an annual fee to have access to, across devices. I'll hold on to my records/tapes/cd's, and real books, TYVM. This Kindle thing is the next big ripoff.

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    Re: Who controls the past controls the future

    <-------owner of records and paper books


    The only e-things I buy online are things I either intend to consume once or twice and don't care about otherwise, or things I already own or plan to own once I find it used at a decent price.
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    Re: Who controls the past controls the future

    Personally, I've never subscribed to cloud stuff like Itunes, kindle, etc because of stuff like this. I would like a Kindle, but like Thal said, only for stuff I already have physically or cheap stuff that is kind of interesting but not a must have. With my music, I've never even had an Ipod or other MP3 player because either you have to purchase the music from their database or they make it a complete pain to transfer your music into their format. Adobe has made it near impossible to outright buy Photoshop; instead it's a month to month lease that will cost you so much more.

    In the bigger scheme, this does slightly chill me. It doesn't even have to be taken to an extreme. Changing history because of the bad associations guarantees we can't learn from our mistakes and do better.
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    In this we ponder why people would "Pirate" things...In fact the whole copy protection thing back in the way back,spawned much of the Cracking/hacking scene when a lot of people had C64's and the Copy protection could/would knock your drive out of alignment.and it could cost you a lot to get the drive realigned. Stripping the CP,would save you the cost of doing that. Over protection breeds work around's. Think about what is termed "Jail breaking" with phones. Try to restrict peoples access and it turns into an attitude of "They did it to me first"...turnabout is fair play.
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    Re: Who controls the past controls the future

    I read this article the other day and it was a huge wake-up call for me. Because I write music as well, I'm not really sure what to do now with all my original music to keep it safe other than buy a tape deck!!!! I was going to transfer all my CDs onto my PC and then get rid of the CDs, but I've changed my mind now!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azvanna View Post
    I read this article the other day and it was a huge wake-up call for me. Because I write music as well, I'm not really sure what to do now with all my original music to keep it safe other than buy a tape deck!!!! I was going to transfer all my CDs onto my PC and then get rid of the CDs, but I've changed my mind now!!!
    Keeping music on a machine can be done safely. Just

    A. Keep backups
    B. Be very careful with stuff like Apple Music

    I've got some ebooks through google that I can lose if google does something silly. I have others that are just watermarked pdfs that don't have that risk. Computer storage isn't inherently risky if handled right, the random silliness that several large companies are indulging in is.
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