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    Re: Who controls the past controls the future

    Aside from an entity like Apple, Amazon, etc., controlling things, there's the simple fact that the way we access our stuff changes. Vinyl - 8-tracks - cassettes - cd's - mp3, etc. And after some time, it's hard to find a way to play the stuff you have. Turntables are still around but 8-track players aren't. As far as anything on a computer, that changes too. I have a box full of floppy disks, and a micro-cassette from an old answering machine with someone's voice on it. That sort of thing. Kindle changes your edition. A real book, however, is still a book, until the pages turn to dust.

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    Re: Who controls the past controls the future

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    <-------owner of records and paper books


    The only e-things I buy online are things I either intend to consume once or twice and don't care about otherwise, or things I already own or plan to own once I find it used at a decent price.
    Same. I just never really caught on to electronic stuff. I have a few mp3s I bought on iTunes and a few eBooks I bought on Amazon, but it just didn't feel the same so I resumed buying physical media again.

    I do listen to streaming music and download public domain books, but that's about it.

    I think it's stuff like this that makes me hold onto my physical media, though. When you buy digital downloads, you don't *own* those products. You buy a license to use them. It's not the same as owning a record or a book.

    This guy's case is way worse than just a few ripped CDs though. From the sounds of it, he's a musician or producer, and the program ripped his own music and deleted it from his hard drive, which is HORRIBLE. I'm not really prolific with recording, but I have a few folk demos and some experimental sound layering pieces that I made on my hard drive. If one of my music apps deleted those, I'd be PISSED. Also, I wouldn't even want to give any of them permission to access them or upload them. Those are mine, and many of them aren't even finished products. I want to choose what, where, and when I share my own music on the Internet.

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    Re: Who controls the past controls the future

    I actually like electronic files - over the course of my life I have accumulated so much stuff, in the form of books and music, that I have no place to put them, so I have to go on periodic "purges" to make room. Then, of course, immediately after sending a load of books off to the library book sale, I find that I need to get hold of a source... that I no longer have access to.

    However, I don't like having my stuff stored by a "service." First, because I don't have extremely reliable internet so the "service" is not always available when I want it, and second, because I am then at the mercy of the "service" and what it's owners may or may not decide to do, like changing format or raising costs, or going out of business.

    I much prefer having actual copies of efiles on my computer, or thumb drive, or where ever - that is the only way that I feel I "own" the stuff outright.

    The whole idea of a "service" having control OF ANY KIND over my person files is abhorrent.

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    Re: Who controls the past controls the future

    I just don't even listen to stuff on my computer. If I want to listen to music while I'm on the computer, it's easier to just launch Spotify.

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    Re: Who controls the past controls the future

    Quote Originally Posted by DanieMarie View Post
    Same. I just never really caught on to electronic stuff. I have a few mp3s I bought on iTunes and a few eBooks I bought on Amazon, but it just didn't feel the same so I resumed buying physical media again.

    I do listen to streaming music and download public domain books, but that's about it.

    I think it's stuff like this that makes me hold onto my physical media, though. When you buy digital downloads, you don't *own* those products. You buy a license to use them. It's not the same as owning a record or a book.
    Oh, I love my kindles (I have a fire and a paperwhite)...but I use them as a secondary form of media, not as a replacement.
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    Re: Who controls the past controls the future

    I never really liked the e-books. My mother loves them and has a kindle, but I just can't stand them. I have to have books. I have actual cds. I don't often get cds anymore unless it's something from my past like Savage Garden or No Doubt. I like Bruno Mars. I do use Amazon MP3s, but I also back them up on a portable drive. When I write, I do using text files and Microsoft Word. That I do like using electronic media. It makes it much easier to write. It's hard to let go of some things, but easier to come into others. I have found that I love the cell phone, social media, blogging, email, etc...
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    Re: Who controls the past controls the future

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    Oh, I love my kindles (I have a fire and a paperwhite)...but I use them as a secondary form of media, not as a replacement.
    My music is the same way. I still have all of it except the 8-tracks.

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    Re: Who controls the past controls the future

    http://www.businessinsider.com/apple...m_term=partner

    Apparently public outcry still gets a response. Not sure on useful yet but it's something.
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    Re: Who controls the past controls the future

    Quote Originally Posted by MaskedOne View Post
    http://www.businessinsider.com/apple...m_term=partner

    Apparently public outcry still gets a response. Not sure on useful yet but it's something.
    Hmmm...

    Very deeply mysterious...

    In the original article, didn't the author say he contacted AppleCare, and was told the software was "working as intended"?

    I wonder if (parnoid as I am) Apple was field testing to see how it would fly?
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