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    What seems a war on pain killers,and the concern about O.D.'s

    Ok,I put this in debates for a reason,because we most likely will have differing points of view.

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    I myself am pro pain killers for those who would not even be able to function without them.
    My friend that recently died was an example of this. If he did not take pain killers on a regular schedule,he would not even have been able to get out of bed.
    He did succumb to Cancer in the end,but he had major spine surgery over the years. Bone degeneration was his major issue.

    It seems after Princes death,and it seems even before there has been a push to restrict pain medications because of abuse. This however will make it much harder for those who pain medication is very necessary just to function on a day to day manner.

    Myself,I only use pain meds seldom when I have extreme pain. Because some people can not adhere to controlling their intake(abusing the PK's) others will suffer because of their lack of control.

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    Re: What seems a war on pain killers,and the concern about O.D.'s

    Over in the UK, the number of painkillers we can buy in a packet (i.e. not prescribed) is very restricted. Small packets have, apparently been found to reduce the risks of deliberate overdose.

    The thing is, there are many ways to abuse medication. But also the medical profession tend to underrate what severe, chronic pain is like to live with. Telling me to take a couple of paracetamol is going to invite a punch in the mouth. (that said, there are times where certain types of extra pain can be helped a bit by additional paracetamol, but it's only very occasional.

    I found that once my pain meds were properly sorted, I felt much better and more able to function. I cannot begin to explain what it was like without them.

    Painkillers are a misnomer anyway. They do not kill severe pain (at least, not without knocking us out or turning us into complete bloody zombies.) I don't expect them to do this (though some people do>) All I want is to get the edge off the pain for a few hours.

    I think better education for patients and doctors would help a lot. Politicians ought to stay out of it IMHO.
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    Re: What seems a war on pain killers,and the concern about O.D.'s

    We have several doctors in WV who do nothing but give out pain meds scripts. One dr has all 1000 of his rural practice patients on Oxy. It's an issue and it starts with scripts and dr.

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    Re: What seems a war on pain killers,and the concern about O.D.'s

    That is a problem,and that makes it much harder for people who truly do need the PK for medical reasons.
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    Re: What seems a war on pain killers,and the concern about O.D.'s

    I don't know how a Dr. could predict who will become an addict and who won't. Some Dr.'s (like mine) just tell you to take handfuls of Tylenol, which is just as bad as the Dr.'s who hand out narcotics like candy. When I was in high school, there was one Dr. around who was famous for giving out diet pills, known as black beauties at the time. Tranquilizers were also very common - people were taking Librium like aspirin. It was so commonplace that even in the premiere episode of The Brady Bunch, Carol very casually told Mike to take a tranquilizer. So now we've gone the other way, as a society.

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    Black beauties were around even when I was in High School...Bennies,Ludes, reds and blues..and of course speed in powder form to snort or for some shoot. I did speed in coffee of all things(bitter taste) All these so called street drugs were "Legal" when prescribed.

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    Re: What seems a war on pain killers,and the concern about O.D.'s

    Quote Originally Posted by anunitu View Post
    That is a problem,and that makes it much harder for people who truly do need the PK for medical reasons.
    Exactly. We are trying to set up a database so people who are script seeking will pop up at the pharmacy but it's hard to get these things in place. We also set up drug courts to keep addicts out of jail and in rehab and day programs.

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    Re: What seems a war on pain killers,and the concern about O.D.'s

    This is a problem. There have always been doctors who are glorified pushers. The problem is that there are plenty of people in real pain who need help. It is the difference between working and not working. It is the difference between bearable and unbearable. Politicians know diddly squat about medical issues, and their history of addressing addiction, at least in the US, has been disastrous. I am concerned about, say, what if I or someone I love ends up with a long, painful cancer.

    I recently took a family member into a very reputable back clinic. While I was in the waiting area, I heard two different patients independently threaten suicide due to the chronic pain. Maybe they had addiction problems, but from talking to them, I don't think so. I've talked to plenty of addicts. I think they were just looking at a lifetime of pain. And if there is no access to the prescription, so many try to buy it illegally. And when that is prohibitively expensive, the dealer points out how cheap and available heroin is. Of course people build up a dependency when they rely on pain medication. Often that means treating the pain and then helping them get off of the medication. Sometimes, though, I think that the dependency is the price for a life without constant horrible pain.

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    Re: What seems a war on pain killers,and the concern about O.D.'s

    Quote Originally Posted by anunitu View Post
    That is a problem,and that makes it much harder for people who truly do need the PK for medical reasons.
    This is what has happened in NJ. I take a cocktail (not stacked, but staggered and alternated) of percocet, which is oxycdone w/ acetaminophen (the acetaminophen gives the oxycodone, or hydrocone if Vicoden or Norco) a kick in the butt to work better); Soma (carisoprodol, a muscle relaxant); Oxycontin ER (extended release/long acting oxycodone, yeah right - it's crap); Zanaflex (tizanadine, a muscle relaxant).

    It sounds like I'm a junkie and a druggie, but I take an oxycodone (Oxycontin is a brand name) and a muscle relaxant maybe twice a day if that, with a couple of hours between the p.k. and m.r. and definitely 8-10 hours between each. The reason for alternating is because they stop working after a while, I don't want to get used to any one med. Why am I a walking pharmacy? Lumbar fusion which is still painful, with muscle spasms that make it hard to get in and out of bed, or off the toilet (I know, tmi). They are so bad I freeze until it relaxes.

    OK, the point... doctors have written prescriptions for p.k. like they were giving out M&Ms. So the state of NJ, and/or FDA and/or DEA have cracked down. If you need a refill on an opiate p.k. you must have a written prescription. The doctors cannot even fax or electronically prescribe to the pharmacy. And... ! the pharmacy can only hold the paper prescription for 1 day. If you have 3 or 4 days before it can be refilled, for example, the pharmacy can't put it on hold. Opioids like Ultram/Ultracet/tramadol and similar, are opiate-like drugs and not as tightly controlled.

    So when I need a refill I have to call my surgeon's office 3 days in advance, then go pick up the written prescription before work at 8 am, then get to work late. This is what it's come to because people were getting prescriptions for hangnails, and the doctors were writing them. Some made it bad for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prickly Pear View Post
    ...I heard two different patients independently threaten suicide due to the chronic pain. Maybe they had addiction problems, but from talking to them, I don't think so. I've talked to plenty of addicts. I think they were just looking at a lifetime of pain. ...
    Yep, you just want the pain to go away, and feel "normal". I won't lie and say that the mild euphoria you get from percocet isn't pleasant. I've never done anything stupid, because the euphoria I get is not that intense. It's just "ah, this feels better", but if I could live without taking anything I would. I can understand how people can become hooked, especially on higher doses. Mine is 10 mg, which is a baby dose.

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    Re: What seems a war on pain killers,and the concern about O.D.'s

    This pretty much describes my friend that died recently(died due to complications from throat surgery) His whole day was allowed by PK,and other meds..No meds,no movement period. And we live here in NJ...He had to do the doc and pharmacist run every month to get his meds,and I know it was hard because his feet would swell real bad after.
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