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    Re: Religious certainty vs. religious exploration

    Quote Originally Posted by DragonsFriend View Post
    When speaking about religion there is no truth.,,
    You mean, of course, in your opinion, or can you prove it?
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    Re: Religious certainty vs. religious exploration

    I suppose I should define "truth" as I use the word:
    Truth; an immutable fact that has always been, is presently and will always remain true.
    Facts can change. Beliefs can change. "Truth" cannot change. Facts can be true but if they have changed or will change then they are not truth.

    I hope that helps you better understand why I say there is little truth in religion.

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    Re: Religious certainty vs. religious exploration

    Quote Originally Posted by DragonsFriend View Post
    I suppose I should define "truth" as I use the word:
    Truth; an immutable fact that has always been, is presently and will always remain true.
    Facts can change. Beliefs can change. "Truth" cannot change. Facts can be true but if they have changed or will change then they are not truth.

    I hope that helps you better understand why I say there is little truth in religion.
    You actually said "no truth," which would be a religious truth, which would falsify itself.

    Yes, now with the clarification that you meant "little truth" I better understand.

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    Re: Religious certainty vs. religious exploration

    Honestly with everything in the news right now, It's more about religious uncertainty. People get desperate and scared when they think they understand something that is clearly incorrect. Then they get pissy. And well you know the rest.
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    Re: Religious certainty vs. religious exploration

    Well, the central tenet to my personal faith is this:

    when in doubt, pray
    when in prayer, doubt

    (I stole that stuff from a UU ad campaign years ago.

    So...I practice a faith that embraces doubt, uncertainty, and the search for meaning. To me, religion is not a set of rules on what to for or say or believe in the attempt to please god/s---it's a language (spoken and unspoken)...or perhaps a medium (definition meant as analogous to art media--ceramics, oils, etc) by which we experience life and ourselves create experience. Religion is simply another type of experience, another layer to a multifaceted reality.

    Think about an MMORPG, let's go with WoW...it's an ephermal experience of things that exist but don't exist. The experiences are real, the happen, they create actual relationships and changes for people. But Azaroth isn't actually a physical place, there are no Night Elf Druids, etc.

    Religion is the original virtual reality, no computer needed. It's experiences are real--people feel them, they create changeling their brains that are measurable, etc. Whether or not the ideas are "true" (a patently more false word never existed) it's deities concrete, the experience is still real.
    “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

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    Re: Religious certainty vs. religious exploration

    My beliefs are of use to me. Once a specific belief/system/technique is no longer useful to me, I discard it. I'm always in quest for wisdom. If I'm a Satanist it's because it's the system that best allows me to grow spiritually and materially.

    Also, some demon spoke to me. That was cool as hell (pun). So I tried it again.

    But if one day Satanism stops being the frame I need to advance, I shall leave it behind. Progress is my top priority, not coherence. The only faith I have is faith in myself, and my choices, and the wisdom to question my own reasoning.

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    Re: Religious certainty vs. religious exploration

    hmmm,so not a republican then?(read into that what you will)
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