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    'Gospel of Jesus's Wife': Insane backstory

    A tiny manuscript fragment in which Jesus is quoted as refering to "my wife" has been the object of much debate about whether it is authentic, or a forgery.

    Here's some crazy info about the provenance of the fragment. Really, this is interesting, and bizzare:

    The Unbelievable Tale of Jesus’s Wife: A hotly contested, supposedly ancient manuscript suggests Christ was married. But believing its origin story—a real-life Da Vinci Code, involving a Harvard professor, a onetime Florida pornographer, and an escape from East Germany—requires a big leap of faith.
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    From this article alone, sounds like a forgery. Red flags all around Fritz. I hope he doesn't take down too many people with this.

    Would be interesting if true, but I'm not sure that it would be enough to change anything.

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    I actually don't know what to say about this...
    “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

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    Re: 'Gospel of Jesus's Wife': Insane backstory

    I loved this article. Took me an hour to read it in between dealing with kids. What a story!!! Almost unbelievable.

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    Re: 'Gospel of Jesus's Wife': Insane backstory

    Quote Originally Posted by Azvanna View Post
    I loved this article. Took me an hour to read it in between dealing with kids. What a story!!! Almost unbelievable.
    Right? It defies every inch of parsimony one can grasp...
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    “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

    “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
    ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

    "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
    ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

    "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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    Re: 'Gospel of Jesus's Wife': Insane backstory

    If you write fiction, you have to make it believable. But the truth is a whole 'nother ball o' wax .
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    Re: 'Gospel of Jesus's Wife': Insane backstory

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    Right? It defies every inch of parsimony one can grasp...
    I had to look up parsimony!
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    If you write fiction, you have to make it believable. But the truth is a whole 'nother ball o' wax .
    A few times in the article, I kept waiting for the 'and then I woke up' moment. You can't make this stuff up! I actually have to ask... Is this happening right now?

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    Re: 'Gospel of Jesus's Wife': Insane backstory

    I think it was about a year ago that I read about the attempts to authenticate the document, so yup, this is current.

    Here's an article from August, 2015 on livescience:

    http://www.livescience.com/51954-gos...e-origins.html

    P.S. I had to look up parsimony too, because, although I know the word, I didn't know the definition as Thalassa was using it...
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    Re: 'Gospel of Jesus's Wife': Insane backstory

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    P.S. I had to look up parsimony too, because, although I know the word, I didn't know the definition as Thalassa was using it...
    (I do love the 2nd definitions...)

    On one hand, I think it would be awesome if it was real. The diversity of early Christianity was pretty amazing. On the other hand, it wouldn't do anything to change things. Believers (either way) don't actually care about the facts. They arrange their facts to suit their beliefs, and not the other way around.
    “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

    “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
    ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

    "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
    ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

    "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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    Re: 'Gospel of Jesus's Wife': Insane backstory

    There are known Gnostic texts that place Mary as the reciever of a secret teaching (Gospel of Mary, Gospel of Thomas, both from the Nag Hammadi find), but they are non-canonical - Gnostic gospels (with the possible exception of the Gospel of John, which is very gnostic-like) are considered heretical.

    And the known history of early Christianity does have women playing a role equal to men - early Christians drew lots to determine who would serve as priest, so, yeah, it wouldn't make much difference.
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