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    Re: Can a thing be both true and false at the same time?

    And again a question comes to mind..a certain man,who will remain nameless,who just happens to have a tiny little square mustache. If he tries to take over the world,is it because we wishes to destroy the world,or is he trying to rebuild it in a better form(at least in his mind and vision of what is better) Or,is he just as crazy as an excrement eating flying rodent?
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    Re: Can a thing be both true and false at the same time?

    Nope sometimes 10 = 2 or 10 = 8 or 10 = 7....

    Ok, I'll stop playing with different bases now. Especially since the prereq of absolute values might negate that ploy anyway.
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    Re: Can a thing be both true and false at the same time?

    Have you found the truth and joy of Octal??? Hands pamphlet while singing the Octal song.

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    Also context is always a factor,except when it is not.
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    Re: Can a thing be both true and false at the same time?

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    Nope sometimes 10 = 2 or 10 = 8 or 10 = 7....

    Ok, I'll stop playing with different bases now. Especially since the prereq of absolute values might negate that ploy anyway.

    LOL - sticking to base 10, I'm going to make the illogical statement that "while 10 always ='s 10, not all 10's are =."

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    ...context is always a factor,except when it is not.
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    Re: Can a thing be both true and false at the same time?

    Something can be true in multiple ways, some of those ways are seemingly contradictory. This does not mean that those contradictions are false, rather (as anu said), context is everything...except when its not.

    Also, one must consider value-laden, opinion-based statements...there's no way for them to be "true" in the sense of a universally-accepted multiply-shared reality.
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    Re: Can a thing be both true and false at the same time?

    48÷2(9+3) = 2

    48÷2(9+3) = 288

    One is true and the other false, which one is which depends on the order of operations used. Meaning that saying one is true and the other false is just as valid either way. However, no matter how you solve it, one is true and one is false.

    Sort of an algebraic superposition, Schrodinger's equation. Meaning that it is only both true and false at the same time as long as it is unsolved, as it can't be solved to be both at the same time.
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    Re: Can a thing be both true and false at the same time?

    Sure, why not?

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    Re: Can a thing be both true and false at the same time?

    Here's how I think about it - context... are we talking about abstractions, or are we talking about real things?

    If 6+4=10 and 15-5=10 then 6+4=15-5, as long as you are talking about pure abstractions (numbers) that are not tied to real-world "things."

    However, as soon as those abstractions relate to "things" in the real world, 6+4 is not = 15-5, because one represents an increase, while the other represents a decrease, and an increase is not the same as a decrease.

    For example, if you have $6, and you find $4 laying on the ground, you now have more money, but if you have $15, and you lose $5, you now have less money, even though in both cases you have (in the end) $10.
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    Re: Can a thing be both true and false at the same time?

    Again, the process is not the same but the resultant values are the same. 10 = 10 no matter what process is used to get there.
    You need to define whether you are comparing values or processes.
    In math:
    48÷2(9+3) = 2 is false because the parenthesis are calculated first so you have 48÷2x12 and the rest of the operation is performed left to right. 24x12=288

    48÷2(9+3) = 288 is true.

    The definitions of procedure are as important in this case as is the definitions of the values. to make the answer 2 you need to add another set of parenthesis: 48÷(2(9+3))=2

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    Re: Can a thing be both true and false at the same time?

    I had a boss once who proved that 1+1 does not =2. We got our new sales quotas, and they were double the previous ones. He quoted some formula they used to create the goals, using run rates, economic indicators, etc., and 45 minutes of related gobbledy-gook, and they weren't doubled, they were "adjusted". I told him he should call Harvard and tell them he has changed mathematics. The little weasel never liked me.

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