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    Re: To have, or to have not?

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    My question for you is "is it?" Is there something inherently wrong with accumulating stuff, or is accumulating stuff part of what defines you as a person? Or maybe there is another option?
    I've touched on this a few times in other threads, but I used to have an issue with 'stuff'. When I shared this flat with a coworker, she only really had clothes. She owned about 4 books and 2 of those were Katie Price autobiographies. Her shoes took up the cloak cupboard and she had 3 wardrobes of clothes and a chest of makeup/cosmetics, but otherwise, she had very little 'stuff'.

    She moved out and JP moved in. JP came with hundreds of books, much of which was manga, enough dvds to completely fill what used to be our towel cupboard and a few boxes of things from his childhood. Then my mum sent over all my witchy supplies (about 60% of which I threw out or rehomed), and my books adding another 50 or so to the already massive pile. The flat then had to fill up with book cases, I needed a wardrobe to house my pagan stuff, our christmas tree and decorations took up a lot of cupboard space and I have a box of diaries and notebooks from studying Japanese over the years. We also needed 2 work areas for our PC's and my textbooks take up quite a bit of space too. It all got pretty overwhelming. I knew we could get rid of our books, but it's not fair to force JP to do so, and mine are all so precious to me.

    Then while moaning about this one time I pointed out that between us we have a lot, but every last thing has either a genuine use, or is sentimental. Then someone said, 'if it's all necessary, then it's not clutter' (I still can't shake the feeling it was someone here on PF who said this, but I don't remember).

    Since then I have discovered that being respectful of and grateful for the things you own can in itself be a spiritual act. Around the start of every month as part of my routine spiritual house cleansing, I make a point of acknowledging the special role that each item of 'stuff' has in my life, and that does include how certain things tell my story.

    Where problems seems to arise is when we buy into the consumerist egregore and believe that stuff will make us happy. When we start blaming our discontent on not having the latest fashion item, or gadget.. or cosmetic surgery. When we fail to realise that marketing only works by making you believe you have needs that you don't.. that you aren't adequate because you don't have the product their pushing.. Once you fall into that rabbit hole (and it's a very easy illusion to fall far because it looks so much like the 'real world') I think consumerism starts to consume you. That's when stripping down can really help people to reconnect with the spiritual.

    As a land-based pagan I feel that the physical realm is as spiritual and magical as any of the unseen places. Nature has granted us the ability to feel joy and pleasure and in this world where suffering is ever present, I think that ignoring the good things in life isn't all that spiritual, or at the very least, it's a different route to spirituality than I feel a land-based pagan would usually take.

    Or to paraphrase something I said in a recent post on this matter; 'why would I wish empty cupboards on myself?'
    夕方に急なにわか雨は「夕立」と呼ばれるなら、なぜ朝ににわか雨は「朝立ち」と呼ばれないの? ^^If a sudden rain shower in the evening is referred to as an 'evening stand', then why isn't a shower in the morning called 'morning stand'?

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    Re: To have, or to have not?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePaganMafia View Post
    It's also a pretty amazing when moving to another apartment is a ten minute process.
    I remember changing dorm rooms in college, and it was like that.

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    Re: To have, or to have not?

    My mother had severe bi polar. Growing up with her, her closet was full of clothes. Everything was full of everything. To the point of pushing me out. When she was off balance, the hoarding of stuff over ran her room. If you remember years ago I would go to her place and toss out bags and bags of her clothes and just assortment of crap she had. She would sit in the living room in her off balance anger and just pout. She wouldn't even notice what was thrown away she had duplicates of the same thing. Growing up with that really left a sour taste in my mouth.

    I hate stuff. I went through a time of collecting toys and books and Marilyn Manson stuff. And I showcased it all on bookshelves. It was 'me'. But I grew out of that. I don't even buy souvenirs when I go places. I take pics instead. I realize now that I don't define me by my belongings. It clutters my mind. I don't even like outlandish people. I'm not a minimalist by any means. I'm just...frugal I guess. Get what I need and nothing more.
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    Re: To have, or to have not?

    From the time I turned 18 until we bought our home a month ago I have moved on an average of once per year. I'll be 30 next month, which makes it difficult to hoard stuff because you have to move it so frequently but what I have managed to keep are things that I do love and enjoy. I don't have hobbies and I'm not crafty so that doesn't get in my way but I do love books and they are a form of therapy and escape. I do think there is in some people an unhealthy obsession with acquiring items and there are people who have had traumatic experiences where it causes them to become obsessive in their hoarding.

    What I have is not much but it is mine and it does have sentimental value to me. I am an earth based pagan and feel this world has lots to offer and of those things some of them I would like to keep to remember my experience and adventures. I don't need a huge house to fill with clutter but I want whats mine.
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    Re: To have, or to have not?

    My father developed something like that in his last few years. He never threw anything away. Cereal boxes, bottles, junk mail, newspapers, etc. You could hardly walk through the house for the stacks of crap, just like you see on the tv shows about hoarders. That's a whole different thing than people who buy stuff for the prestige/fashion/keep up with the Joneses kind of thing.

    One thing I have that no one realizes the meaning of is an Avon Sweet Honesty bottle. It's clear glass, shaped like a rabbit, with a gold head that unscrews. In the bottle is pinkish-tinted water. The water is the thing - it's tap water from the house we lived in when I was in high school. I remember finishing off the perfume and filling the bottle and putting food coloring in it. I said I'd never open it again for my whole life. So far, so good.

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    Re: To have, or to have not?

    Quote Originally Posted by kalynraye View Post
    From the time I turned 18 until we bought our home a month ago I have moved on an average of once per year...
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    Re: To have, or to have not?

    I had the opposite family experiences as some of you guys; my mother hates clutter. She also loves to throw out old things and get new things. When I was a kid, friends would come over and tell me I lived in a mueseum because our house looked so unlived in. So now I like having a bit of clutter arround since I feel like it makes a home look more warm and inviting
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    Re: To have, or to have not?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaskedOne View Post
    I'm fond of possesions...

    As long as they are possessions and not possessors.

    (snip) Any object that is not food, water or shelter which moves from enhancing your life to controlling it is a problem that should be addressed. Otherwise, there are lots of cool things in the world. Have fun.
    This^

    I'm a big believer in two things that are perhaps seemingly contradictory: 1) Everyone should cherish their own treasured belongings (in which, "treasure" is defined as "things of deep meaningfulness to them") and 2) Everyone should be able to throw it all away, they are just things.

    I like simplicity, but simplicity is not minimalism. Simplicity is about selectivity--choosing, even affirming, those things that are necessary, that are purposeful, and that are quality. I'd rather do without while I save for something that will last, unless its something that I can't do without.
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    Re: To have, or to have not?

    If it becomes necessary, a person needs to be able to eat the family dog, but to do it "just because" would be a mark of insanity.

    I feel the same way about possessions - if you have to get rid of them, be able to do it, but doing it "just because" would be loopy.
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    Re: To have, or to have not?

    Any good recipes for grilled Mutt?
    BTW if your Dog managed to figure out how to open the fridge,you might want to ponder if he is an alien in disguise(reminds me of the song "devil in disguise")

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