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    What makes an item sacred?

    Just my mind wandering around today but what makes an item sacred?

    Consider a cross for instance, is it a sacred item to God or is it a sacredness only to a believer and not to that which is believed? Consider the Triton of Poseidon, is it a sacred item to him or only a sacred representation of a weapon to his follower? The bone of a saint, is it sacred because its from the believer or because of the depths of their belief? If the belief then does the belief permeate the item connecting the item making it, ie the belief, the sacredness vice the item itself?

    Just what is it that makes a thing sacred?
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    Re: What makes an item sacred?

    Something is sacred to someone if it is of the utmost importance to the individual, so sacredness (?) is trickle down, not up. If you hold an entity or person as holy, then by extension anything they consider holy is likely to be holy to you, but not the other way round if they don't hold you up as being holy. They may think the same things as you are sacred, but not BECAUSE you do. Rather, because of a shared view of another entity. So, in a way, an item may be holy to both gods and people, and to people because of gods, but unlikely to gods because of people.
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    Re: What makes an item sacred?

    Depends on your theory - sacred artifacts were supposed to have magical powers... To heal, to bring luck, to cure disease...

    That means the item itself is "special" in a way that other similar items not associated with sacred events is not.

    However, it you consider these miraculous powers to be based on belief (or non-existant), then it is not the item itself, but the belief of the people/person involved.
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    Re: What makes an item sacred?

    Nothing.

    Everything.



    ...or this: "“...it’s not that the sacred is here and the profane is over there. Everything is profane if you live on the surface of it, and everything is sacred if you go into the depths of it...”
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    Re: What makes an item sacred?

    What makes an item sacred?
    The interpretation of the events surrounding its finding or discovery by the individual involved.
    The blue berry could have been determined to be sacred if a cedar tree had been seen struck by lightning and the following spring a blue berry bush was growing on the stump of that tree. It would be a simple thing to connect the growth of the bush with the destruction of the tree by lightning.

    If the tree had not been seen blown apart by lightning and the bush grew on the stump, it might not be considered sacred in any way.
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    Re: What makes an item sacred?

    The intention and importance given to it. I have a little Halloween raven on one of my shrines. To the average person, it's an oddly out of place decoration. To me, it's sacred, because it's a physical representation that I use for Apollo. The cross necklace my mom wears isn't scared to me, because I'm not Christian, but I understand that it's scared to her and many others because it represents her own god.
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    Re: What makes an item sacred?

    Quote Originally Posted by Briton View Post
    Something is sacred to someone if it is of the utmost importance to the individual, so sacredness (?) is trickle down, not up. If you hold an entity or person as holy, then by extension anything they consider holy is likely to be holy to you, but not the other way round if they don't hold you up as being holy. They may think the same things as you are sacred, but not BECAUSE you do. Rather, because of a shared view of another entity. So, in a way, an item may be holy to both gods and people, and to people because of gods, but unlikely to gods because of people.
    Sacred items are basically reduced to being an entirely subjective item that has a history that may or may not be confirmed of aiding living people with miracles.

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    Re: What makes an item sacred?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenrir View Post
    Sacred items are basically reduced to being an entirely subjective item that has a history that may or may not be confirmed of aiding living people with miracles.
    That's what I said boiled down, yes.
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    Re: What makes an item sacred?

    Quote Originally Posted by Briton View Post
    That's what I said boiled down, yes.
    Nods. Just clarifying/simplifying

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    Re: What makes an item sacred?

    If you are in power and you say it is, then it is. Or heads roll.
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