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    Re: Should the ignorant be given a vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Azvanna View Post
    As a quick response to the question:

    Yes because votes are about opinion - an opinion on who is most likely to do right by 'me.' Even those who may seem likely to be ignorant can be scarily articulate and shrewd when it comes to what is good for them.

    Case in point.



    This said by a guy with a disability, a low income and low education. A marginalised person for sure and someone who the majority would definitely be prejudiced enough to label as ignorant at first glance.

    Ignorance also has a point of view and just because the education is not there doesn't mean it's wrong.
    Good, I'd say, quick response, and an excellent example.

    People can make choices for their own best self interest - an interest that can be pushed aside by those who may decide that the self interest of others isn't worth considering.

    This is much like the point that Tylluan Penry was making, I believe.
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    Re: Should the ignorant be given a vote?

    Though this is kind of a joke,consider that if we allow an idiot to RUN for office,then that would seem to allow everyone to VOTE even if the people might at first seem to be less informed,BUT the people KNOW first hand just how stupid politicians can hurt them with bad decisions.

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    Re: Should the ignorant be given a vote?

    Serious question: For those who are unable to figure out how to register to vote, should other be allowed to register them? (not I'm blind, I can't see a form. But more like those with mental disabilities that do not have the ability to function in society). In essence can someone like the Rain Man dude vote? Or are we like hey, you are 18 and in a coma, but sure, lemme register you and vote for you.
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    Re: Should the ignorant be given a vote?

    Hundreds of years ago the aristocracy were the ones that held the power to influence politics on a national scale. That has since transitioned to corporations and special interest groups... but it's still the same types of people: Politicians, old money, new money, and the people closest to them.

    When things seem to go bad, everyone is quick to blame the unwashed masses... but they've rarely, if ever, had any actual say in how things are run. It's always been the rich and educated.

    Does anyone actually believe that votes have anywhere near the amount of influence that donations and backroom deals do? The educated and informed are just as often, if not moreso, greedy and corrupt. I'd trust a farmer or mason more than a CEO or lawyer to have a better idea of how this country should be run, every single time.

    So yes, the ignorant should be given a vote... and I'd even go further and say that we should get money out of politics entirely so that votes actually matter.
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    Re: Should the ignorant be given a vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Serious question: For those who are unable to figure out how to register to vote, should other be allowed to register them? (not I'm blind, I can't see a form. But more like those with mental disabilities that do not have the ability to function in society). In essence can someone like the Rain Man dude vote? Or are we like hey, you are 18 and in a coma, but sure, lemme register you and vote for you.
    Oo wow good debate question. It leads to the obvious that there is a gray area when it comes to capacity to vote. In Australia, everyone over the age of 18 has to register to vote, but people who are deemed by a medical practitioner to be
    incapable of understanding the nature and significance of enrolment and voting
    source qualify for exemption. So it leads to the question at what point does a medical practitioner make that call? I wonder how many elderly in my community with dementia there are who would have trouble getting to the polls let alone be able to keep up with current politics to make an informed decision.

    I do agree with voting on someone's behalf in the way Power of Attorney might operate. Even if it is exploited, it's one vote. Barring some incredible case of collusion in a nursing home or something like that, I don't think it could have a huge affect on outcome.
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    Re: Should the ignorant be given a vote?

    Kinda going with Denarius on the get the money out of politics. No one should be able to "Buy" an election,EVER...money is NOT a vote..and also no corporation is a living,breathing human being,EVER,even if a court says they are!!

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    Re: Should the ignorant be given a vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Denarius View Post
    Hundreds of years ago the aristocracy were the ones that held the power to influence politics on a national scale. That has since transitioned to corporations and special interest groups... but it's still the same types of people: Politicians, old money, new money, and the people closest to them.

    When things seem to go bad, everyone is quick to blame the unwashed masses... but they've rarely, if ever, had any actual say in how things are run. It's always been the rich and educated.

    Does anyone actually believe that votes have anywhere near the amount of influence that donations and backroom deals do? The educated and informed are just as often, if not moreso, greedy and corrupt. I'd trust a farmer or mason more than a CEO or lawyer to have a better idea of how this country should be run, every single time.

    So yes, the ignorant should be given a vote... and I'd even go further and say that we should get money out of politics entirely so that votes actually matter.
    NOT to bait you, but out of confusion and hoping you can clear this up. Do you believe farmers are ignorant? I mean they have to know some serious science behind their job. But I get your gist.
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    Re: Should the ignorant be given a vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Do you believe farmers are ignorant?
    Of "the U.S. Constitution, local, national, and world events, and that kind of 'trivia.'" Not necessarily, but more likely than CEOs and lawyers.
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    I don't think you know much about farming practices. Stop watching re-runs of Green Acres.
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    Re: Should the ignorant be given a vote?

    As the saying goes, it's a free country. I know we have a bunch of ignorant people, but one of our rights is to vote. We can't take that away from some people and let others vote. It wouldn't be fair. As much as I would like to have people be more educated in the system and politics, we have to let it be. The founding fathers wouldn't want us to mess with it.
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