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    #16
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    This is just how the cold war started,with escalating threats,and the if you build a big bomb,I will build a bigger bomb interaction.

    I lived with this when younger,and thought after the Soviets fell we never needed to see it again,but times change things.

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    The main lesson from then is "Nobody wins"..except perhaps the cockroaches
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      #17
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      That's the thing though, the military-industrial complex WANTS an arms race. Big profits in war, especially thanks to no-bid contracts.
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        #18
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        You are correct Sir,there is no money in Peace...

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        I was surprised when I learned the origin of that term,Military-industrial complex,it was in fact from this man:



        That is,if you are to young to remember his face,Dwight D. Eisenhower,general during the second world war,and President.
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          #19
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          I think a large problem with the election is that while distracted by a lunatic we ignore the inherent danger that is a Hillary Clinton. That being said we tend to ignore the inherent danger of any presidency from the status quo. The status quo being U.S. hegemony, rampant Imperialism, and working class suppression. The country has been pushed so far Right that the Democrats, while being a Right Wing political entity is viewed as Leftist and even radically Left. Obama's Supreme Court appointee is generally considered Right leaning in America's psuedo-political spectrum. It would stand to reason Clinton's nominees would not be much better.

          On the subject of coups, any sort of uprising would quickly be suppressed. The idea of an armed conflict to retake the country is ridicolous. What would be effective is reorganizing the working class, workers solidarity, and mass unified movements. That has happened before with the Labor movement being the best example. We rely to much on our electoral system and beaurocracy to effect change.

          It has always been easy to view Russia as the bad guys but given that the entire U.S. strategy for the pass 60 years has been one of containing Russia it is easy to understand why they view their security threatened.

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            #20
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            Originally posted by anunitu View Post
            That is,if you are to young to remember his face,Dwight D. Eisenhower,general during the second world war,and President.
            Ike is one of my favorite presidents. Right up there with Coolidge, Reagan, and Carter.
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              #21
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              Interesting thing is both parties wanted him,dems and repubs and they were insistent,he was reluctant to run.

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              with all things,sometimes you get what you need,and sometimes you get what you deserve. we shall see if we need or deserve what we get.
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                #22
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                Originally posted by anunitu View Post
                There is the Russian Fleet steaming to Syria,though Spain denied them a refueling stop. Tensions are rising on borders in Europe.

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                And then there is this.

                Russia unveils 'Satan 2' missile, could wipe out France or Texas, report says.
                Go to nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap

                Pick a city in Texas, set your nuke as an airburst, choose Tsar Bomba from the presets and click detonate. Then zoom out so that you map shows the full state. Those 2 relatively small circles around your chosen city are the blast zone. Everything else is still alive.

                Russia has better ways to spend money than building a supernuke that far beyond the largest nuke ever tested.

                Now if you just want irradiate Texas, that's easier. Switch out airburst for surface detonation and you'll irradiate a decent sized area but the odds of Russia having spent the resources to build a single bomb that can instantly flatten Texas are small.

                The reports are misleading at best.
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                  #23
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                  it is all mostly hype because that is how the cold war went,a Neutron bomb is a different matter,as its goal is not destroying buildings,but killing people with high level,short lived radiation
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                    #24
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                    Never imagine that broken things that are fixed will stay fixed. Labor unions - very nice. Until they become for profit companies working in their own self interest, just as governments do.

                    Everything depends on the eyeballs and actions of those in the trenches. When they stop watching, those in positions of trust betray them.

                    Eternal vigilengence is the price of freedom. That applies not only to those with guns, but to those armed with votes as well.

                    When the will of the people as described through a vote isn't respected, consequences must result.

                    Fortunately, there's a vote for that, too.

                    War with Russia? I think it's a red (get it? "Red"?) herring - we're not at war with China... Massive interstate wars are a thing of the past. Now, wars are economic, or wars are extrastate. Not that that's nice, but Russia isn't likely to be dropping nukes on us, or us on them, unless a lunatic gets control of the buttons.
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                      #25
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                      Russia wants to be a big dog again,and be a world power. Putin misses his glory days as a member of the KGB...China is trying to be a Capitalist without seeming to be a capitalist...And us of course are still that sleeping giant they all talked about before we woke up for a bit before going back to our nap. Do not poke the giant,that is sleeping so well.
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                        #26
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                        So how close have the Russian warships actually sailed to the US? 100 miles? 50? Try ten (for the UK) : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...oyal-navy-sha/

                        Has there been an incident? No, not yet.
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                          #27
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                          Happens here also
                          Russian spy ship spotted near US sub base
                          A Russian intelligence ship, capable of cutting undersea communications cables and other sensors, has been spotted by the U.S. military off the coast of Kings Bay, Ga., home to the U.S. Navy’s East Coast ballistic missile submarine fleet.   
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                            #28
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                            Originally posted by anunitu View Post
                            Happens here also
                            Russian spy ship spotted near US sub base
                            http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015...-sub-base.html
                            That's not really new news though. Their "Spy" ships used to hang out near our sub bases and major port's all the time. Their combatants never really came to close to our shores and their birds stayed fairly far off shore as they made their way to Cuba. Though I have heard and read a few articles that said they were trying to re-open their facilities in Cuba which would potentially open those things back up. They've also re-established some of their arctic stuff which potentially puts them closer to our western side and over Arctic approaches via Canada.

                            I figure we'll go back to a lot of the stuff that happened during the cold war with near misses, cut off's, over flights, buzz off's and shadows & tails at sea and in the air. Never was in the Army or Air Force so don't really know what was done in that capacity. All in all though a lot of Cold War practices and mentality / procedures are being re-established on their part and we've closed a lot of our stuff.
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                              #29
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                              Originally posted by B. de Corbin View Post

                              unless a lunatic gets control of the buttons.
                              That's the possibility, right there.

                              I'm still PTSD'd from the Cuban Missile Crisis. I spent the first few years of elem. school looking under my bed for Castro.

                              Some schools are closing on election day due to fear of violence - http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...3231?cid=sm_fb
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                                #30
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                                I keep asking myself 'what the hell would the founding fathers say?' We need the supreme court. That's my opinion of course.
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