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The Gaze of the Abyss
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Obviously, God is evil.
Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.
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Re: Obviously, God is evil.
Sadly, a lot of people don't think about that argument deep enough. As starters, the argument cannot be used to negate the existence of God, it only discusses the reasons for the existence of evil and the existence of God at the same time.
The second mistake is that the argument begins with "If there is a God..." but it doesn't use all the other facts that come with and are associated with God. It's a straw-man argument at best. In other words, if you are going to assume there is a God, then you have to put into consideration everything that comes with it, and not pick and choose parts to build a weak image that can easily be attacked.
If there is a God then he is all wise and all knowing. If there is a God then there is judgement day. If there is a God then all that's been taken for you will be returned. If there is a God then the wronged ones will be compensated. If there is a God the wronged will be content and satisfied with what they will be given. If there is a God the wrong ones will be punished. And so on.
But all of this is really secondary if you really, really think about it, like I said before. The argument doesn't really discuss if God exists or not. So before going into is god good or evil, shouldn't we first be concerned with, is there a god or not? How can we know for sure? And if there is a God, how can we actually say what attributes this god has?
That's the real question people should be thinking about, before moving to the other question. But that's just my opinion[4:82]
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The Gaze of the Abyss
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Re: Obviously, God is evil.
The video actually dealt with the idea that a (the) supreme being is "good," and the lack of evidence for such a claim, the general concept of the major religions that god is good, and the way in which the "evidence" that is summoned to support such a belief doesn't - because the exact same "evidence" also supports the opposite point of view.
That particular video is about logical and/or rational thinking (it is entirely possible to apply logic to imaginary situations - it is one of the golden virtues of logic). It supports a solipsistic word view rather than an atheist worldview.
I don't think it was intended as atheist persuasion, or, at least, not as a stand alone argument.
Originally posted by Dumuzi View PostIn other words, if you are going to assume there is a God, then you have to put into consideration everything that comes with it, and not pick and choose parts to build a weak image that can easily be attacked.Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.
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What does solipsistic mean? Sorry if it's a stupid question
The video actually dealt with the idea that a (the) supreme being is "good," and the lack of evidence for such a claim
But the speaker is failing to understand this. People are asked to offer an explanation, and that's what they offer. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not a proof that god is good, nor is it intended as such. But the speaker still attacks it as such, because it's easier than attacking the actual argument for the existence of god.[4:82]
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Re: Obviously, God is evil.
Originally posted by Dumuzi View PostBut the speaker is failing to understand this. People are asked to offer an explanation, and that's what they offer. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not a proof that god is good, nor is it intended as such. But the speaker still attacks it as such, because it's easier than attacking the actual argument for the existence of god.
Solipsism is the category of philosophy that says "Because we are limited by our instruments of perception (ears, eyes, tongue, skin, nose, and brain), and the way they work ("sound" is a vibration in the air, we "hear" it because of the way our ears function. If our ears functioned differently we could smell sound, perhaps), and the tools we construct are based on and limited like our senses, we can't be entirely sure that things actually are the way they seem to be. The best we can do is try for an approximate understanding."
When applied to religion, it looks like a form of agnosticism.Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.
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Re: Obviously, God is evil.
Benjamin Franklin would answer "Beer".
My answer is "Pizza".life itself was a lightsaber in his hands; even in the face of treachery and death and hopes gone cold, he burned like a candle in the darkness. Like a star shining in the black eternity of space.
Yoda: Dark Rendezvous
"But those men who know anything at all about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun." Suddenly his voice sounded to Will very strong, and very Welsh. "At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else..."
John Rowlands, The Grey King by Susan Cooper
"You come from the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve", said Aslan. "And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth; be content."
Aslan, Prince Caspian by CS Lewis
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Good point!
And also...
Originally posted by B. de Corbin View PostSolipsism is the category of philosophy that says "Because we are limited by our instruments of perception (ears, eyes, tongue, skin, nose, and brain), and the way they work ("sound" is a vibration in the air, we "hear" it because of the way our ears function. If our ears functioned differently we could smell sound, perhaps), and the tools we construct are based on and limited like our senses, we can't be entirely sure that things actually are the way they seem to be. The best we can do is try for an approximate understanding."
When applied to religion, it looks like a form of agnosticism.[4:82]
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I live with the idea that God is a fiction,BUT I also live with the unstated thought that I will be very happily surprised if when I die my belief is proven wrong,and the "Loving" god
shows up and hands me a refreshing beverage and a tasty burger. Kind of like I am playing roulette and putting all my "Faith" on double Zero for a long shot.
Place your bets folks........MAGIC is MAGIC,black OR white or even blood RED
all i ever wanted was a normal life and love.
NO TERF EVER WE belong Too.
don't stop the tears.let them flood your soul.
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The Gaze of the Abyss
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Re: Obviously, God is evil.
Pascal's wager...Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.
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Re: Obviously, God is evil.
People believe and manifest that belief according to the light/darkness of their very being.
The universe don't give an eff.
There is no good or evil god. because good and evil are a man made creation.
And if you want a good or evil god..you (man) create it. And they did.
But the universe still don't give an eff.
I mean other than a human, what other thing in the universe has a good/evil anything?
nothing. The answer is nothing.
and pizza!Satan is my spirit animal
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The Gaze of the Abyss
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Re: Obviously, God is evil.
Cheese has good and evil.
The hard, aged cheeses, like Assiago and Parmisian are the very embodyment of good, while those wierd chocolate flavored cheese are clearly evil.
American slices in plastic wrap are decadent, but not inherently evil, although soft cheeses, like Brie, are good-hearted, but prone to sin.
I actually have an entire theology of cheese...Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.
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Originally posted by MaskedOne View PostBenjamin Franklin would answer "Beer".
My answer is "Pizza".ThorSon's milkshake brings all the PF girls to the yard - Volcaniclastic
RIP
I have never been across the way
Seen the desert and the birds
You cut your hair short
Like a shush to an insult
The world had been yelling
Since the day you were born
Revolting with anger
While it smiled like it was cute
That everything was shit.
- J. Wylder
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Originally posted by B. de Corbin View PostCheese has good and evil.
The hard, aged cheeses, like Assiago and Parmisian are the very embodyment of good, while those wierd chocolate flavored cheese are clearly evil.
American slices in plastic wrap are decadent, but not inherently evil, although soft cheeses, like Brie, are good-hearted, but prone to sin.
I actually have an entire theology of cheese...
evil is hours later when it turns to toots!Satan is my spirit animal
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Originally posted by Medusa View PostWhen I was younger I used to eat slices of cheese...in the plastic. I would push out a little piece through the plastic so it would come out smushy. That was pure goodness.
evil is hours later when it turns to toots!
/derailThorSon's milkshake brings all the PF girls to the yard - Volcaniclastic
RIP
I have never been across the way
Seen the desert and the birds
You cut your hair short
Like a shush to an insult
The world had been yelling
Since the day you were born
Revolting with anger
While it smiled like it was cute
That everything was shit.
- J. Wylder
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