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    Shadow Goverment

    Hey everybody. I really hate to say it but I think Donald Trump is the least of our problems. I believe there's a bigger threat that America should worry about and Donald Trump doesn't even play a leading or minor role for that part. I believe that there's a political party who really hates all political parties including Democrats and Republicans. It's called the shadow government and it's real. I actually comment on a tarot reader Youtube video about it and she believes that the shadow government is real. So I think that America is even a bigger threat as it already is. So what's your thoughts about it?
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    Re: Shadow Goverment

    The name that the "Believers" use is the "Deep Government",mainly belief created by the Alt-right. I will not say it is BS,that is something you must determine for yourself.

    Welcome to the beginning of the real "1984" and the term "Newspeak". Read the book,or watch the movie.

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    And something about the Deep State.
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    Re: Shadow Goverment

    I think that such a belief gives way too much credit to the capabilities of human beings to take coordinated action in an agreed upon direction in complete and utter secrecy.
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    Re: Shadow Goverment

    I can not disagree with you on that Thal. I was trying to be polite.
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    Re: Shadow Goverment

    You are right in that Donald Trump is not the problem. He is a symptom of a the problem. That problem is not hidden conspiracy or a "shadow government". He is a symptom of Neo-liberalism, Neo-conservatism, and the declining Capitalist state. Also, mad white people that colored folks still exist. Also, don't read Orwell to get an understanding of what is going on. Read someone who actually has an analysis of how power and Capital function within a State. Chomsky, for his problems, has a very, very good analysis and critique on the power structures and media that exist in the US.

    Beyond that anyone who provides a material analysis of the current situation paints a pretty good picture of why it has arisen.
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    Re: Shadow Goverment

    There are a lot of theory's that are making the rounds these days. The reptilians are hiding in plain sight as famous people. Some media artists are secretly part of the Illuminati,or they are replacement clones to aid in infiltrating our society by the "Other" There is also the idea by political factions,that because our society is not following their ideal social construct that it must be the fault of a secret anti(Left or right,take your pick) conspiracy to keep us from achieving our destiny of a society with no government at all,or a serious absolute "Angry father" complete lock down of a controlling police state.

    I agree my description does seem extreme,but looking around at some world governments,not really far off the mark.

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    Re: Shadow Goverment

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    I think that such a belief gives way too much credit to the capabilities of human beings to take coordinated action in an agreed upon direction in complete and utter secrecy.
    The secret has snuck out, thanks to Alex Jones and Dan Brown.

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    Re: Shadow Goverment

    Three can keep a secret when two are dead is the traditional answer. Unfortunately, regarding humanity, the traditional answer is hopelessly optimistic. Most of the time, three can keep a secret when all three are dead. Human beings absolutely suck at keeping their damn mouths shut. Government agencies can with great effort beat the odds on this for a limited span of time but even governments tend to lose secrets at a staggering rate due to espionage and press leaks. Massive, secret conspiracies make for amusing fiction but aren't terribly likely to work in real life.

    Of course, Donald Trump is currently a sitting president, it is possible that we are living in bad fanfiction and conventional wisdom no longer applies...
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    Three can usually keep a secret if it's the source of their billions.

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    It's not conspiracy, it's bureaucracy. Which is actually much worse. They don't work together because they are part of a secret club, they work together because they are part of a complex system. Deer eat the grass, wolves eat the deer, grass eat the wolves... they do this not because they are in cahoots, they are just doing what they do. Same with the Cathedral, the complexity and elegance are due to its organic nature. Just as has been said, conspiracies are all but impossible... but human nature being what it is social apparatuses are an inevitability.

    We self-segregate, adjust our beliefs to match our peers, form complex peer groups... part of being a social animal. Tribalism, ideology, partisanship, memeplexes, all a part of spontaneous order born of social pressures and biological inclinations.
    Trust is knowing someone or something well enough to have a good idea of their motivations and character, for good or for ill. People often say trust when they mean faith.

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