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    Re: The Battle For The Word Pagan

    I don't know what you're arguing about here. There are two types of Pagans: 5-Pagans and 9-Pagans.

    Non/nona/noni all mean 9. Now, read the definition again and it will make sense to you.

    Of course, a 9-pagan won't be happy with it and will try to rewrite it. You guys are really dumbed down.

    Paganism is a game more than a religion...

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    Re: The Battle For The Word Pagan

    Where are you pulling this information from?
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    Re: The Battle For The Word Pagan

    Quote Originally Posted by SeanRave View Post
    Holy hell what. From WHERE IN THE WORLD did you get all of this?
    adding this for Juni,

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    source please,seems a reasonable question.
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    Re: The Battle For The Word Pagan

    Quote Originally Posted by Juniper View Post
    Where are you pulling this information from?
    I could say, but I might get banned!

    Incidentally, no Greek ever called themselves, or anyone else, "pagan". Paganus is a Latin word meaning a villager: some-one who lives in a pagus. In army slang, it came to mean a civilian, and in Christian slang, a non-Christian. You do find the word paganos in Greek, but only to mean a civilian. A non-Christian was a hellen.

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    Re: The Battle For The Word Pagan

    Quote Originally Posted by DavidMcCann View Post
    I could say, but I might get banned!
    Send me a PM with the source, please.
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    Re: The Battle For The Word Pagan

    I think he might have meant a sphincter JUNI

    Where many stupid ideas are from.
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    Re: The Battle For The Word Pagan

    Quote Originally Posted by WyvernWorship View Post
    Yes, I may anger many people with what I say in this thread, but this is not a battle specific to this forum; so, please do not take it personally.

    There is a resurgence of interest in Paganism in the world. For example, the Pagan community in Greece is growing daily as the religion was un-banned in 2017 (I still can't post links, sorry).

    These obviously are people trying to revive an ancient form of worship/devotion.

    On the other extreme, there is a new religious movement being formed called technopaganism (see Wikipedia).

    We need to discuss whether these two are compatible. If they are not compatible, there will be a war (again not confined to this forum)
    over who can actually label themselves as Pagan/pagan.

    The convention of UPPERCASE/lowercase that you have come up with in this website is not sufficient as it does not cover the spoken/verbal word nor does it account for the fact that most languages don't even have case - nor does it take any etymological considerations into account (i.e. the word actually has a meaning in Latin)..

    Words, as symbols, are meaningless without the meaning given to them.

    Words, as an aspect of culture, like religion, evolve.

    Etymology is intellectually interesting but irrelevant.


    If some pagans are too petty to get over the triviality of being under a big tent, then they will come up with their own name for their tradition (and indeed, THIS is what has mostly already occurred). And if they can't manage that, then they are welcome to cry their little internet tears of woe that most pagans outside of the internet don't really give a hoot about.


    Here, we really DGAF who calls themselves pagan, as long as they aren't an ass.
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    Re: The Battle For The Word Pagan

    Quote Originally Posted by anunitu View Post
    I think he might have meant a sphincter JUNI

    Where many stupid ideas are from.
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    Re: The Battle For The Word Pagan

    i miss the Duce every day.
    MAGIC is MAGIC,black OR white or even blood RED

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    Re: The Battle For The Word Pagan

    Quote Originally Posted by WyvernWorship View Post
    What if a group is taking violent action or threatening (verbally) to take violent action against the vast majority of Pagans, should we allow them to call themselves "Pagan-friendly"?

    There is such a group calling itself pagan - so, I'm not making this up. What if this group wants to obliterate the natural environment that some of us *worship*; should we allow them to continue to call themselves "pagan-friendly"?

    Yes, Pagans are friendly and allow other groups to take shelter under the umbrella term, but shouldn't we draw the line if they try to hijack our religion in an attempt to turn it into something it's not.
    Westboro Baptists are Christians, whether other Christians want to claim them or not (and they don't). So are Catholics, the UCC, the LDS, JWs, Southern Baptists, COGIC, and some 38000+ denominations worldwide, some of which don't consider one another Christian.


    There isn't room in a polythetic classification system for disavowing something that can be classified under it simply because one doesn't like it or agree with it.

    Within Paganism, there is no "our" religion, there are many religions. Many of which I think are often foolish or shortsighted, occasionally I've come across some that I find quite stupid, even those that I think are harmful--stupidity, lack of foresight, foolishness, and harm though, are not elements by which paganism is defined (or in this case, not defined).


    Also, I don't have a 5-element view of the world.
    “You have never answered but you did not need to. If I stand at the ocean I can hear you with your thousand voices. Sometimes you shout, hilarious laughter that taunts all questions. Other nights you are silent as death, a mirror in which the stars show themselves. Then I think you want to tell me something, but you never do. Of course I know I have written letters to no-one. But what if I find a trident tomorrow?" ~~Letters to Poseidon, Cees Nooteboom

    “We still carry this primal relationship to the Earth within our consciousness, even if we have long forgotten it. It is a primal recognition of the wonder, beauty, and divine nature of the Earth. It is a felt reverence for all that exists. Once we bring this foundational quality into our consciousness, we will be able to respond to our present man-made crisis from a place of balance, in which our actions will be grounded in an attitude of respect for all of life. This is the nature of real sustainability.”
    ~~Llewellyn Vaughan-Lee

    "We are the offspring of history, and must establish our own paths in this most diverse and interesting of conceivable universes--one indifferent to our suffering, and therefore offering us maximal freedom to thrive, or to fail, in our own chosen way."
    ~~Stephen Jay Gould, Wonderful Life: The Burgess Shale and the Nature of History

    "Humans are not rational creatures. Now, logic and rationality are very helpful tools, but there’s also a place for embracing our subjectivity and thinking symbolically. Sometimes what our so-called higher thinking can’t or won’t see, our older, more primitive intuition will." John Beckett

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