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    Why is Buddhism so contradicting?

    Is it atheist or polytheistic? Does it teach about the after life? I hear a lot claim to be Buddhists who believe in reincarnation. So many different branches of Buddhism. I used to have a big interest in it. Unfortunately, all these contradictions make my interest go downhill. Where does Buddha claim to believe in gods or any god? He himself never claimed to be one. It is nothing like Hinduism. He saw flaws in Hinduism and of course changed it? I mean why Buddhism? It's all in India, right? I watched a documentary on WVIZ or PBS channel on tv about Buddhism. Full documentary. Of course these people have to be professionals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc7_VyVXDLs

    Where does it talk about worshiping gods? Reincarnation? It doesn't make any sense to me. Pretty much this is how I see Buddhism.... The founder Siddharta Gutama Buddha went out to try and understand human suffering. The fact we have to worry about or ask questions like this, proves suffering. Buddha focused on the here and now. He wasn't worried about life after death. He dies and of course as most all founders of a philosophy or religion in the olden days... They get worshiped! Well, maybe not literally but I bet a lot of people still who have no idea about Buddhism think that Buddha is the god of Buddhism. I ain't joking here. I know my spelling and grammar sucks ass but I am serious. I don't see any of the original teachings from the founder talking about gods or reincarnation. Rituals as well. The founder wasn't ritualistic at all.

    Which leads me to believe that all these people saying they are Buddhists, really aren't Buddhist. I'm sorry but this is what I believe. The religion or philosophy/way of life what ever you want to think about it seems to be so contradicting. People after Buddha make there own teachings. People follow that. They forget the founder and where it was all founded. It's ludicrous. I see monks wearing orange. I see rituals and incense. To be honest I find modern Buddhism to be very pagan. I'm not against people being pagan but I am against the fact that I believe true Buddhist teaching has become corrupted and no one seems to actually follow or do what the real BUDDHA DID!

    I mean seriously...... WHAT THE HELL!?

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    Re: Why is Buddhism so contradicting?

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    Re: Why is Buddhism so contradicting?

    Quote Originally Posted by pragon View Post
    Is it atheist or polytheistic?
    Agnostic. In some Sutras (i'll dig out which ones if you're interested) leave no doubt that the Buddha believed in Devas (gods) and other supernatural powers. But this has nothing to do with his teachings. Their existence or otherwise are irrelevant (consider the arrow and medic parable), hence i would say agnostic.


    Quote Originally Posted by pragon View Post
    Does it teach about the after life? I hear a lot claim to be Buddhists who believe in reincarnation.
    Buddhism teaches rebirth, different from reincarnation in that there is no soul, or eternal core, that gets passed on. Many Western and a few Eastern Buddhists take this as metaphorical rebirth, but there seems little doubt it originally meant something 'physical'.


    Quote Originally Posted by pragon View Post
    So many different branches of Buddhism.
    Well it is over 2 thousand years old, and the Buddha famously refused to organise his followers on his death bed. He was also famous for adjusting his teaching to the audience, evident in all the Sutras. Add the fact he often taught people to seek their own way then you have a recipe for divergence.


    Quote Originally Posted by pragon View Post

    Which leads me to believe that all these people saying they are Buddhists, really aren't Buddhist. I'm sorry but this is what I believe. The religion or philosophy/way of life what ever you want to think about it seems to be so contradicting. People after Buddha make there own teachings. People follow that. They forget the founder and where it was all founded. It's ludicrous. I see monks wearing orange. I see rituals and incense. To be honest I find modern Buddhism to be very pagan. I'm not against people being pagan but I am against the fact that I believe true Buddhist teaching has become corrupted and no one seems to actually follow or do what the real BUDDHA DID!

    I mean seriously...... WHAT THE HELL!?
    Everyone thinks they are following the one true path. Take some advice from the Buddha:

    Pay no attention to the faults of others, things done or left undone by others. Consider only what by oneself is done or left undone.

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    Re: Why is Buddhism so contradicting?

    Quote Originally Posted by pragon View Post
    Which leads me to believe that all these people saying they are Buddhists, really aren't Buddhist. I'm sorry but this is what I believe.
    I do not think you have looked at Buddhism closely enough to have a valid opinion. If you'd have done a quick Google of a few of the things you've brought up, you would have found that the answers are not that simple.

    That being said, have fun with your explorations!
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    Re: Why is Buddhism so contradicting?

    Life is contradicting. Religions, all of them, are a reflection of life. Of course they seem contradictory.
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    Re: Why is Buddhism so contradicting?

    prometheus gave a good breakdown, but also it's not just restricted to India, a lot of Asian was Buddhist for a long time (not sure how much they are now).

    Things evolve, especially something from thousands of years ago. People learn more, find different ways to apply that knowledge, and branch off into various ways of thought.
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    Re: Why is Buddhism so contradicting?

    Eastern philosophies are interesting but filled with riddles and often cryptic messages, I've always just felt that's how eastern mysticism works.

    It's filled with secret meanings and understandings waiting to be uncovered by the seeking initiated.
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    Re: Why is Buddhism so contradicting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Pythagoras View Post
    Eastern philosophies are interesting but filled with riddles and often cryptic messages, I've always just felt that's how eastern mysticism works.

    It's filled with secret meanings and understandings waiting to be uncovered by the seeking initiated.
    I don't generally find that to be the case - what I see is generally a confusion between metaphor and straight description, or, often translation confusion, and confusion from trying to squeeze non-European spiritual practices into a European model.

    Can you give me an example?
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    Re: Why is Buddhism so contradicting?

    I reckon become an actual member, then get the fam riled up. Lots of questions though, I reckon I'll have to come back to this one on an actual computer.

    Also, Jesus and Buddha are bros - just out there doing their good-dude thing, and people turned around and started worshiping them as gods. It's not all good. It's not all bad. But they, as people, were top-notch blokes. Everything that came after was interpretation, and that's where it gets confusing
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    Re: Why is Buddhism so contradicting?

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    I don't generally find that to be the case - what I see is generally a confusion between metaphor and straight description, or, often translation confusion, and confusion from trying to squeeze non-European spiritual practices into a European model.

    Can you give me an example?
    Zen koans are a good example, hard to distinguish what is literal, descriptive, or just poetic expression.
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