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    Re: Does anyone believe in Evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    This is the "evidence" of creationism I see most often:

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    It doesn't take much knowledge of evolution to see through the "irreducible complexity" anti-evolution argument.
    Someone explained it to me thusly: All animals and people have every gene so mutations that come up are already there, and were always there.

    (So those of you contemplating having children.....you might have a giraffe or something. LOL)

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    Re: Does anyone believe in Evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkfeathers View Post
    (So those of you contemplating having children.....you might have a giraffe or something. LOL)
    That 'splains some people's families.

    Not mine, though.
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    Re: Does anyone believe in Evolution?

    does perhaps explain mine

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    m y brother was kind of a neanderthal

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    unlike myself being homomother of all master races
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    Re: Does anyone believe in Evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    Someone with a vague objection.
    There's nothing that can be done about a vague objection. With that being said, there really isn't a gray area between one and the other. Evolution--the change in populations over time as a result of selection forces that result in greater reproductive success for individuals with favored traits (and that can also cause the development of new species) is an observable, measurable phenomenon. That this occurs is a fact of biology (as well as a scientific theory)--we have watched it occur more than a few times in a variety of types of organisms. In addition to scientists studying it as it happens, there's the fossil record and plenty of transitional fossils, genetic evidence, and experimental evidence.

    Now, if you are talking about the ultimate origin of life, sure, scientists only have hypotheses about how this might have occurred. But even so, these hypotheses are based on events with a plausible scientific grounding in chemistry and biology. In some cases, both modelling and experimentation have confirmed the plausibility of certain steps.
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    Re: Does anyone believe in Evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by thalassa View Post
    There's nothing that can be done about a vague objection. With that being said, there really isn't a gray area between one and the other. Evolution--the change in populations over time as a result of selection forces that result in greater reproductive success for individuals with favored traits (and that can also cause the development of new species) is an observable, measurable phenomenon. That this occurs is a fact of biology (as well as a scientific theory)--we have watched it occur more than a few times in a variety of types of organisms. In addition to scientists studying it as it happens, there's the fossil record and plenty of transitional fossils, genetic evidence, and experimental evidence.

    Now, if you are talking about the ultimate origin of life, sure, scientists only have hypotheses about how this might have occurred. But even so, these hypotheses are based on events with a plausible scientific grounding in chemistry and biology. In some cases, both modelling and experimentation have confirmed the plausibility of certain steps.
    Tell that to the people who's extremely religious to their beliefs.

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    Re: Does anyone believe in Evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    Tell that to the people who's extremely religious to their beliefs.
    I do. Along with a round Earth and climate change.

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    Re: Does anyone believe in Evolution?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    Tell that to the people who's extremely religious to their beliefs.

    I do. I don't have a problem with correcting stupidity, whether its based on faith or not.
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    Re: Does anyone believe in Evolution?

    ok thal,no problem there from me girl
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    Re: Does anyone believe in Evolution?

    Evolution is the scientific expression of divinity.

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    Re: Does anyone believe in Evolution?

    Next weekend there's a thing going on here called "Dinosaur Day". Some guy comes and does workshops for teenagers explaining how dinosaurs aren't that old, and creationism, and all that. He's a PhD scientist but a Biblical scholar, you can fill in the rest. If I wasn't going to be "back home" wilding in the streets (LOL) I'd love to go stalk this event.

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