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    Re: Are Most Religions Anti-Science?

    To me, it looks like religions are fine with science, right up until they feel threatened by it AND somebody realizes anti-science (ignorance) can be used to exert control over populations.
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    Re: Are Most Religions Anti-Science?

    Quote Originally Posted by B. de Corbin View Post
    To me, it looks like religions are fine with science, right up until they feel threatened by it AND somebody realizes anti-science (ignorance) can be used to exert control over populations.
    Yeah we theists are too stupid in general to know when to not follow someone blindly.

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    Re: Are Most Religions Anti-Science?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ula View Post
    Yeah we theists are too stupid in general to know when to not follow someone blindly.
    Please note that I was speaking of groups ("religions"), not of individuals.

    I can observe the actions of groups, and determine how "stupid" their words and actions are where they have an effect on the world. How "stupid" you are, I don't know yet, so unbunch yer knickers.
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    Re: Are Most Religions Anti-Science?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean R. R. View Post
    Would you mind elaborating?
    Historically science was used by very prominent and very religious people to better understand their sacred texts or the wonders of creation.

    In fact, I'd even argue that most of today's western understanding of mathematics, physics, and most other sciences (including medicine, botany, geology, etc.) comes directly from the efforts of very religiously inclined people.

    Most of the time, science and religion are very compatible, as usually they delve into very different levels of explanatory demonstration that are not necessarily contradictory in nature.

    The two most notable's examples are the Islamic Golden Age, for, well, Islam, and from the 17th to the 20th century for Christian scientific development.

    Back in the day, the Jewish people were also extremely kin on scientific development as well. The Greeks also used science, and most prominently geometry, as a way to understand and better appreciate nature and explain religious phenomena (cough, cough, Euclid, cough).
    Hmm, I'm not sure what there is to elaborate...? Clearly we disagree about religion and science being compatible (and maybe also have a different idea what is meant by "anti-science"); IMO they are very incompatible, no matter how many religious individuals have used science for their own particular purposes in the past, as you describe... And also they are necessarily contradictory in nature, IMO - to give a most glaring example, either the world was created by a god (as Abrahamic religions would have it) or it evolved via big bang, or some other scientific explanatory model - one can't have it both ways.
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    Re: Are Most Religions Anti-Science?

    Quote Originally Posted by Florenna View Post
    IMO - to give a most glaring example, either the world was created by a god (as Abrahamic religions would have it) or it evolved via big bang, or some other scientific explanatory model - one can't have it both ways.
    Why not? This is the most hillariously easy contradiction for a theist to solve. Assume God(s) set the initial conditions to produce a big bang in place, authored the rules to make things progress the way he/she/it/they wanted and then hit the play button. You now have God(s) creating the universe via big bang. Sure it doesn't work well if you're a fundamentalist Christian but the Catholic Church seems perfectly content with it.
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    Re: Are Most Religions Anti-Science?

    Why can't God/god BE science?
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    Re: Are Most Religions Anti-Science?

    People here do understand that some pagans are theists right?

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    Re: Are Most Religions Anti-Science?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaskedOne View Post
    Why not? This is the most hillariously easy contradiction for a theist to solve. Assume God(s) set the initial conditions to produce a big bang in place, authored the rules to make things progress the way he/she/it/they wanted and then hit the play button. You now have God(s) creating the universe via big bang. Sure it doesn't work well if you're a fundamentalist Christian but the Catholic Church seems perfectly content with it.
    Perfect! Also... I think the key word is "fundamentalist". Most religions work fine with science. It's the specific people who take it to the extremes and can accept nothing but their respective piece of writing/drawing/whatever that don't do science at all. Everyone else are generally happy to alter their perceptions to fit the narrative.

    And Ula. Of course. Some of us are theists.
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    My connection to my gods and goddesses is not dependent on written rules by another hand
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