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    Re: Long time no see! Any types of birds/animals heavily related to mythology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rae'ya View Post
    So to clarify... you're looking for a list of birds and animals that are referenced in mythology, which you can keep as a pet?

    That depends entirely on your country, region and level of experience. I 100% am NOT in support of the average person owning a non-domesticated pet or a pet that requires special licensure. Most people can't even meet the needs of a dog or a cat, let along a bird or exotic species (and most birds are NOT domesticated species, just so everyone knows... not a single parrot species is considered 'domesticated', just a few species of fowl, waterfowl and canaries).

    So honestly, I actually don't care much how good someone's intentions are or what their spiritual motivations are... I care about their lifestyle, their level of experience and the research that they have done to ensure that they can provide for the needs of any living creature they wish to bring into their home. Owning an animal is a HUGE responsibility, whether it's a dog, cat, mouse, parrot or fox. You can't just pick a pet up at the store and hope for the best. There are a lot of things to consider, not least of all whether you have access to appropriate food and healthcare for your pet (because the average veterianarian is not actually experienced enough or properly trained enough to treat parakeets and rabbits let alone reptiles, exotic birds and big cats... that's why we have separate avian, small mammal and zoological specialists). If you are set on a bird, then you need to try a canary or a parakeet or a few chickens first. I can not condone a new-to-bird-keeping person starting with anything else without personally knowing their situation. It's true that people have affinities for different types of animals, and so I don't think that a natural 'bird-person' should get a dog or that a 'dog-person' should get goldfish. But it's a very rare person that can jump straight into an exotic or non-domestic species. Pets are hard work and if you think keeping a pet is easy then you simply haven't been doing it properly (and I'm NOT sorry if that ruffles anyone's feathers... but if your dog lives in the backyard and all you do is feed it and send the kids out to play with it a few times a week... you simply aren't doing it properly). Most domestic species are fairly resilient and can adapt to a surprisingly high level of neglect (which does not make it okay). Non-domesticated species have far less ability to cope artificial environments that don't meet their needs.

    As for a list of the animals themselves... most animals are referenced in the mythology if you include the entire world's mythology. Everything from dogs, wolves, coyotes etc to bears to snakes to chickens, goats, cows and pigs. Some species are more widespread in mythology, but there are plenty of 'mundane' pets in mythology. Norse mythology alone has a rich appreciation for cats, dogs, wolves, deer, goats, chickens/roosters, crows, ravens, pigs, horses, cattle, oxen, fish, wales, seals, snakes, bears, hawks, falcons, eagles, owls, doves, swans, songbirds, squirrels, foxes, rabbits, hares... pretty much any animal that existed in their physical world made it into the mythology (plus a few extras, like dragons, eight legged horses and giant wyrms).
    Assuming you didn't read my 2nd post "Would be neat to have an exotic wild animal though- only if ethical and practical obviously ".

    Also if you've seen earlier threads of mine from long ago you'd see me looking into proper bird care etc. You shouldn't assume someone is a bad owner just because the majority of pet owners are REMOVED. Obviously I know the level of care they need and work they require

    Also Sollo, Iris, I do quite like the idea of bonding with animals casually in nature too lol. I've also wanted to own a fox, is there any mythical significance to them? Would it be ethical? Bonding with exotic animals as Sollo mentioned and them coming back would probably be the proper way to care for a wild animal in most cases unless injured I'd assume; animals we've domesticated require protection by us most of the time as we've made it that way over the years.

    Nonetheless for any of you fearing an animal is going to be abused by me, no they're not lol
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    Re: Long time no see! Any types of birds/animals heavily related to mythology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_ View Post
    Assuming you didn't read my 2nd post "Would be neat to have an exotic wild animal though- only if ethical and practical obviously ".

    Also if you've seen earlier threads of mine from long ago you'd see me looking into proper bird care etc. You shouldn't assume someone is a bad owner just because the majority of pet owners are [Expletive] up. Obviously I know the level of care they need and work they require

    Also Sollo, Iris, I do quite like the idea of bonding with animals casually in nature too lol. I've also wanted to own a fox, is there any mythical significance to them? Would it be ethical? Bonding with exotic animals as Sollo mentioned and them coming back would probably be the proper way to care for a wild animal in most cases unless injured I'd assume; animals we've domesticated require protection by us most of the time as we've made it that way over the years.

    Nonetheless for any of you fearing an animal is going to be abused by me, no they're not lol
    I'm unaware of specific mythical relations of animals; but I believe all life is sacred and magickal, so it shouldn't really matter; whichever animal you connect with personally.

    As mentioned, I do enjoy and encourage forming more of a partnership with pets instead of taking ownership of them; I let them come to me, and I let them come and go as they please. Like a friendly neighbor. Also like any good neighbor, if one of them was hurt, or I saw one of them in imminent danger, I'd do what I could to help save them. Animals aren't nearly as dumb as humans tend to think they are; they will recognize nurturing, selfless action for what it is, and will respect you for it. Animals have a whole spectrum of emotions just like humans do; they just aren't as capable of expressing it....except maybe monkey's; they're pretty expressive....and dogs haha; dogs just might be even more expressive than monkey's. All animals have their own expressions really; their own specific dialects and languages, habits and past-times, lovers, buddies, partners in crime even hahaha. Most importantly, they can love and show love just as readily as humans can when someone, (or some animal), comes to their rescue in their time of need, (I was saved from slipping off the side of a cliff by my dog when I was a little kid; big Golden Retriever/St. Bernard mix; best dog in the world in my opinion haha. We had to put him down though because he got bone cancer, likely caused from that time he went missing for a few days, then miraculously made his way back him with a mangled paw; he'd gotten caught in a trap by the looks of it.

    That was probably the saddest day of my life; right up there with when I had to shoot my cat; kind of messes you up.
    Both of them were rescues; Max (the dog) was about to be put to sleep at the pound because nobody would buy him because he had a violent history (allegedly; I didn't believe that for a second; he was the only dog in the whole building that wasn't barking his head off; we just locked eyes and connected; love at first sight). Lilly, (the cat, also golden colored haha), was a stray who wondered onto our little farm, ended up getting fed by my sister and I, and never leaving again haha.

    PS: You can call me "Sol" if you want; "Sollo" just reminds me too much of the Star Wars character hahaha.


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    Re: Long time no see! Any types of birds/animals heavily related to mythology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_ View Post
    Assuming you didn't read my 2nd post "Would be neat to have an exotic wild animal though- only if ethical and practical obviously ".

    Also if you've seen earlier threads of mine from long ago you'd see me looking into proper bird care etc. You shouldn't assume someone is a bad owner just because the majority of pet owners are fucked up. Obviously I know the level of care they need and work they require

    Also Sollo, Iris, I do quite like the idea of bonding with animals casually in nature too lol. I've also wanted to own a fox, is there any mythical significance to them? Would it be ethical? Bonding with exotic animals as Sollo mentioned and them coming back would probably be the proper way to care for a wild animal in most cases unless injured I'd assume; animals we've domesticated require protection by us most of the time as we've made it that way over the years.

    Nonetheless for any of you fearing an animal is going to be abused by me, no they're not lol
    Take what Rae'ya says very, very seriously. if anyone knows what they're talking about, it's her. (Rae'ya, am I remembering correctly that you're a vet?). And wanting an animal for the mythical significance, with no real direction as to what myth, does seem like an odd motivation. I might suggest simply naming your more standard pet after a deity you wish to honour instead. there's a reason people don't keep owls and foxes as pets, they're not pets. and anyone owning one will tell you they're goddamn awful to look after. I've heard the same story from a few people; "don't do it. I love mine, but I wouldn't recommend it to anyone." it takes lots of special training at the very least.

    and be careful which animals you bond with. I don't own them, if anything I suspect I'm like a giant, featherless crow to them. I do feed them, very rarely. In winter I'll bring seeds and nuts and fruit, maybe once every other week, to help out when food is scarce. In summer they'll sometimes get a bite of fruit if I'm eating something and they're with me. Generally they don't need it, food is plenty down there and better for them than anything I could bring.
    They're very bright birds, and they understand basic words and sign language. But to bond I've had to learn to understand theirs too. it's not that hard if you'll sit down and watch them, and listen. their calls are very distinct. I will say, I don't think I mentioned this before, they don't live in the city, I go down to the lake and forest area where they live. Usually I'll sit down and read, and they'll come sit on the bench with me and sunbathe or prune their feathers if they want to. I've experienced them jumping along on the ground when I walk, chatting (that's what I call it anyway. They use a different tone with me than with other crows), but they always leave when I leave their territory.
    I guess what I'm saying is you can't force a connection on them and it's gotta be 100% on their terms. I have never tried touching them, and I never will, that's a boundary that should not be breached. They're not for petting. They're just wonderful to watch, and they let me watch a little closer than most.

    As for foxes. people do keep them as pets. it's not as fun and cute as instagram makes it look. And to the ethical bit, no. In my opinion the only ethical reason to keep any wild animal is if you're rehabilitating it.
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    Re: Long time no see! Any types of birds/animals heavily related to mythology?

    We didn't domesticate animals in a generation. It took many hundreds of years of selective breeding to get the domesticated animals we have today.

    In my opinion, trying to domesticate a wild animal, no matter how altruistic your goals, IS animal abuse. You may not feel like you're abusing an animal, but teaching a wild animal to find food in your home will prevent its natural abilities at hunting, and if for some reason you ever moved away, or got bored with the animal prior to the end of its natural life, you'd be causing the death of the animal. Nevermind taking into consideration who would take care of your animal if you got sick, went on vacation, or worse yet, if the animal fell ill, what vet are you going to take a wild animal to safely? Do you have the money to afford a specialist vet when your animal needs surgery?

    Foxes don't belong in living rooms, and neither do ravens, crows, wild cats, or anything else you can think of. They have natural habitats for a reason. Leave that reasoning to fantasy.
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    Re: Long time no see! Any types of birds/animals heavily related to mythology?

    Quote Originally Posted by iris View Post
    In my opinion the only ethical reason to keep any wild animal is if you're rehabilitating it.
    I'm pretty much of the same mind, with the exception that I don't have any ethical problems with farming animals for survival purposes; ducks, bees, fish, and insects would all be wild animals that I'd try to capture and farm for a virtually self-sustaining supply of fresh meat, eggs, seafood and honey; I'd probably try getting my hands on a goat, too, for milk, butter, and other dairy products, (cows are too big and require too much of a specific type of food, whereas goats are smaller and can eat a wider variety of food, not to mention I think I recall hearing goat milk is healthier than cow's milk.)

    Those little stations set up in conjunction with a little garden would be able to provide me with all the food I'd need to keep myself and the animals alive...except of course for the animals I'll occasionally kill for food haha; primarily the fish and the insects; on rarer occasions perhaps a duck to help avoid food fatigue; that's actually a pretty serious threat in the wild; you can't just eat the same thing every single day; you'll get sick of it and not want to eat anymore and end up starving yourself until you force yourself to choke down some more of it haha, (five years as a wildland firefighter eating almost nothing but MREs; I learned a thing or two).
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    Re: Long time no see! Any types of birds/animals heavily related to mythology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Celtic_ View Post
    Bonding with exotic animals as Sollo mentioned and them coming back would probably be the proper way to care for a wild animal in most cases unless injured I'd assume
    The proper way to care for a wild animal is to leave it alone. The proper way to care for an injured wild animal is to contact an appropriately qualified wildlife rehabilitator.

    If you wish to bond with your local wild creatures, respect that they are wild creatures. Do not feed them. Do not humanise them. Feel free to landscape your yard with appropriate plants and habitats for the locals, but please don't create artifical and unbalanced food sources that create humanised urban creatures. And please don't think that 'befriending' or attempting to tame a wild creature is a good habit to be in.

    If you truly wish to be ethical in your approach to animals (either pets or wild), then respect them. And respect the advice that experienced and professional people are giving you.

    Also... Please refrain from using profanities in the public boards. It is against forum rules and will get you in fairly major trouble if I see it again and call Admin in here.

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    Re: Long time no see! Any types of birds/animals heavily related to mythology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rae'ya View Post
    The proper way to care for an injured wild animal is to contact an appropriately qualified wildlife rehabilitator.
    What should one do if there's no way to contact a wildlife rehabilitator? A lot of cultures don't have cell-phones or offcial rehabilitators.

    I don't think I could ever bring myself to just leave the injured animal to die a slow, agonizing death all alone.

    That would leave me with two options: A) Kill the animal as quickly as I can so that it doesn't have to suffer any longer. Or B) Try to use herbal medicines, water, clothsand bandages to begin nursing the animal back to health.

    ...Chances are I'd go with Option A, because trying to heal a wild animal can be extremely dangerous, and probably because I'd be hungry at the time, and Nature just gave me several dozen pounds of fresh meat and fur clothing for the winter.

    If it was a wolf though...I'd honestly probably be tempted to nurse it back to health instead. Wolves are incredibly loyal creatures, and if I could put myself in the wolf's good graces, then they may decided to form a bond with me. We'd be a lot stronger together, and he or she would be able to warn me of any threats or opportunities in the immediate area; that could be a huge advantage in the wilderness......on the other hand, wolves are also one of the fiercest and most territorial creatures; depending on how strong they are in their current injured state, they just might try to snap at me; canine bites are pretty deep, (I've been bitten before), and in the wild, such an injury could be fatal; especially if the wolf happened to be rabid.
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    Re: Long time no see! Any types of birds/animals heavily related to mythology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sollomyn View Post
    I'm pretty much of the same mind, with the exception that I don't have any ethical problems with farming animals for survival purposes; ducks, bees, fish, and insects would all be wild animals that I'd try to capture...
    We have domestic breeds/species of ducks, bees, fish and some insects. There really isn't any need to seek wild breeds/species of these animals for farming. I am all for encouraging native bees and insects, but not as livestock. That's what domestic livestock species are for. Hunting is a slightly different story, but capturing wild creatures to keep and breed as livestock is unethical in my opinion.

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    Re: Long time no see! Any types of birds/animals heavily related to mythology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rae'ya View Post
    We have domestic breeds/species of ducks, bees, fish and some insects. There really isn't any need to seek wild breeds/species of these animals for farming. I am all for encouraging native bees and insects, but not as livestock. That's what domestic livestock species are for. Hunting is a slightly different story, but capturing wild creatures to keep and breed as livestock is unethical in my opinion.
    I'm thinking more of a primitive survival situation hundreds if not thousands of miles away from modern civilization; where there are no domestic animals; only wild ones. My apologies if that was unclear.
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    Re: Long time no see! Any types of birds/animals heavily related to mythology?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sollomyn View Post
    What should one do if there's no way to contact a wildlife rehabilitator? A lot of cultures don't have cell-phones or offcial rehabilitators.

    I don't think I could ever bring myself to just leave the injured animal to die a slow, agonizing death all alone.
    I can't really address all this properly right now (on my phone), but the short answer is that humane euthanasia is typically the most ethical choice for badly injured wildlife. There are a whole heap of issues tied up with rehabilitating wildlife, most of which concern their ability to function and survive when released. Permanent captivity is very rarely an ethical choice, except in specialised facilities, provided social needs can he appropriately met. So it's a loaded issue with no 'nice' answer. At the end of the day, my greatest concern is the welfare of the animal. Sometimes the healing and captivity causes more suffering than the injury ever did.

    As for wolves... that's not really how wolves work. Wolves are one of the most misunderstood, misrepresented and over-romanticised species out there. It saddens me to see the way well-meaning but misguided people have perpetuated these sorts of innacuracies. Most tame wolves are not happy. They have very specific social and environmental needs that can not be met by a single 'bonded' human. The ones that do reasonably 'well' as pets/companions tend to be those that show more characteristics associated with the eventual domestication of canid and vulpine species... with less ability to function harmoniously within typical wolf social structures. Wolves are are fascinating species in the fairly unique position of being extant with their evolved domesticated cousins.

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