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    #31
    Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

    Who's attacking you? I don't see anyone attacking anyone. Just people stating differing opinions.
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      #32
      Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

      Originally posted by Juniper View Post
      Who's attacking you? I don't see anyone attacking anyone. Just people stating differing opinions.
      I'm sorry Juniper. Sometimes it comes off with these discussions like people can be a little judgmental of others opinions and I feel like if you do not agree with a person's statement, then the best thing is to agree to disagree. There shouldn't be a big production made of it.
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        #33
        Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

        So... I actually do have an issue with a black Ariel. Not because they've changed her skin colour or 'ethnicity' (and I agree with the sentiment that there is no ethnicity for merfolk)... but because they are presumably going to change her hair colour. Which may seem trivial to some folks. BUT... part of what was so outstanding about the animated Ariel was that she's a redhead. A minority redhead in a world of pretty blonde and brunette princesses. And when we look at the Disney Princesses as a whole, we have diversity... they are all different, with different skin colours, ethnicities, hair colours and backgrounds. As a group they represent how okay it is to be different and diverse. As a group they celebrate diversity. Every live action film so far has chosen protagonists that are true to the animated protagonists, except this one. So now we have lost our pale carrot top princess and only have pretty blondes, brunettes and ethnic princesses. And that is my issue.

        Also, I work with several natural redheads who are absolutely 100% offended that the redheaded hero of their childhood has been changed. People who were teased and bullied for being redheaded as kids, who had an animated character to look up to and relate to and dream that red hair and pale skin is beautiful. And sure, it's just a fictional character who means nothing in the grand scheme of things... and Disney have no obligation to make the live action films resemble the animated ones. But it's kinda a kick in the teeth to some folks and I support their right to be upset by the decision.

        (And please lets not argue about how it is more acceptable according to the original stories blah blah blah... Cinderella arguably has Chinese origins and they didn't cast her as an Asian girl, did they?)

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          #34
          Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

          Mermaids are an imaginary creature. Ocean "mermaid" type creatures abound in most cultures with a sea or riverine connection. And still, they are an imaginary, made-up creature. Mermaid society is a made up phenomenon. The Little Mermaid is a story written by a dead guy about an imaginary creature that Disney turned into an animated musical that was very much a deviation from the original. To care about the skin color of an imaginary, made up creature in a made-up adaption of an adaption of a story is stupid. I don't see these people bitching that the whole thing isn't being produced in Danish. Then we can talk about "the original."

          Save the outrage for Mulan. They got rid of Mushu. He's the 2nd most important character in the dang movie--the catalyst for everything she goes on to do. That movie can do without the romance and still keep the plot...but it needs the dragon.
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            #35
            Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

            Originally posted by thalassa View Post
            Mermaids are an imaginary creature. Ocean "mermaid" type creatures abound in most cultures with a sea or riverine connection. And still, they are an imaginary, made-up creature. Mermaid society is a made up phenomenon. The Little Mermaid is a story written by a dead guy about an imaginary creature that Disney turned into an animated musical that was very much a deviation from the original. To care about the skin color of an imaginary, made up creature in a made-up adaption of an adaption of a story is stupid. I don't see these people bitching that the whole thing isn't being produced in Danish. Then we can talk about "the original."

            Save the outrage for Mulan. They got rid of Mushu. He's the 2nd most important character in the dang movie--the catalyst for everything she goes on to do. That movie can do without the romance and still keep the plot...but it needs the dragon.
            I though Mushu was still in the live action Mulan though his presence was supposed to be greatly reduced to all most nothing. That's what some of the "reports" on the film said anyway that I had seen. But otherwise the story has been changed quite a bit from the original it seems.
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              #36
              Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

              Here's another thought-maybe another thread.

              It's art. In fact, being the Disney version, I would argue that it falls into a category of global art. Art is meant to be explored and interpreted. Hence many, many versions of Romeo and Juliet, Pride and Prejudice and so on. Frankly, I don't really see anything wrong with a nude roller-disco version in Sanskrit. It could be a train wreck. It could be a revelation. It could be entertaining and fun. Zombie mermaids, gang mermaids, furry mermaids. Whatever.

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                #37
                Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

                When I heard about it, the first thing that crossed my mind was the expression "fish-belly white" (usually used somewhat jokingly to refer to a very light person with no tan in the summer), and I thought it was ironically funny to have a darker "fish" character. Other than that I don't see the big deal, except for the red hair as Rae'ya said. They should leave that alone.
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                  #38
                  Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

                  I think it's awesome they are recasting Ariel as a girl of color. I know there's quite a bit of sadness that we are loosing a red haired princess and Ariel has always been my favorite princess especially as a child. However us redheads have an even more badass princess and her name is Merida! She is incredibly independent and all about controlling her own fate and guess what?!?!?!?! Her mother is alive and in her story!! And best of all a man doesn't save her.
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                    #39
                    Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

                    Originally posted by kalynraye View Post
                    I think it's awesome they are recasting Ariel as a girl of color. I know there's quite a bit of sadness that we are loosing a red haired princess and Ariel has always been my favorite princess especially as a child. However us redheads have an even more badass princess and her name is Merida! She is incredibly independent and all about controlling her own fate and guess what?!?!?!?! Her mother is alive and in her story!! And best of all a man doesn't save her.
                    How is this sad? You could still see her and her red hair in the cartoon version.

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                      #40
                      Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

                      Originally posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
                      How is this sad? You could still see her and her red hair in the cartoon version.
                      It's sad Bart because there will not be a red haired live action princess. I am more then aware I can watch the cartoon thank you very much and maybe just maybe you need to slow your roll on being so defensive all the time. As I stated I am thrilled that she has been recast to a woman of color but as a redhead I am allowed to be a little sad the red hair is gone!

                      As I also stated we do have a fantastic red haired princess by the name of Merida from Brave who in my opinion is way more of a role model then most Disney princess's. I'd rather be a Merida any day but as a little girl who loved Ariel because she had red hair that child side of me wishes she had red hair but change is part of life and I'm all for it especially if it means giving little girls of color a princess of their very own!
                      Last edited by kalynraye; 09 Jul 2019, 07:20.
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                        #41
                        Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

                        Originally posted by kalynraye View Post
                        It's sad Bart because there will not be a red haired live action princess. I am more then aware I can watch the cartoon thank you very much and maybe just maybe you need to slow your roll on being so defensive all the time. As I stated I am thrilled that she has been recast to a woman of color but as a redhead I am allowed to be a little sad the red hair is gone!

                        As I also stated we do have a fantastic red haired princess by the name of Merida from Brave who in my opinion is way more of a role model then most Disney princess's. I'd rather be a Merida any day but as a little girl who loved Ariel because she had red hair that child side of me wishes she had red hair but change is part of life and I'm all for it especially if it means giving little girls of color a princess of their very own!
                        I'm not being defensive and I think you and everybody else is taking this way out of proportion. It's just a movie.

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                          #42
                          Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

                          Originally posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
                          I'm not being defensive and I think you and everybody else is taking this way out of proportion. It's just a movie.
                          "I just don't understand the logic and rationality of everybody get butthurt over a black mermaid. I don't have any problems having a black mermaid and I'm black myself. Like really? There's black mermaids in the TV Show Siren and no one didn't complain about that. But when it come to Disney. *facepalm* This whole complaining and whining is very ridiculous."

                          Pretty sure the person who started this thread was you, and if your not really interested in other people's opinions then don't ask for them because when you start a thread like this that's basically what you are doing.

                          I'm also not defensive, you asked a question and I responded.
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                            #43
                            Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

                            Originally posted by kalynraye View Post
                            "I just don't understand the logic and rationality of everybody get butthurt over a black mermaid. I don't have any problems having a black mermaid and I'm black myself. Like really? There's black mermaids in the TV Show Siren and no one didn't complain about that. But when it come to Disney. *facepalm* This whole complaining and whining is very ridiculous."

                            Pretty sure the person who started this thread was you, and if your not really interested in other people's opinions then don't ask for them because when you start a thread like this that's basically what you are doing.

                            I'm also not defensive, you asked a question and I responded.
                            First of all this whole thing is ridiculous and I have every right to post it. Second don't be twisting all of this on me, I don't have a problem with the black mermaid at all. Third the whole controversy is just as ridiculous as an anti-vaxxer believes that vaccination can cause autism. I lost one friend in this forum for this ridiculous controversy please don't be #2.
                            Last edited by Bartmanhomer; 09 Jul 2019, 11:15.

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                              #44
                              Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

                              I don't have a problem with a dark skinned, dark haired Little Mermaid. Just as i didn't have a problem with the Bollywood version of Pride and Prejudice - thought it was great. And there was one memorable version of Wuthering Heights where Heathcliff was clearly dark skinned and dark haired - something I had long suspected from reading the book.

                              Hollywood has, for a long time, got away with portraying foreign characters with white, English speaking actors. Even when the characters were neither white, nor, originally English speaking. All with ended up with was heavy make-up and bad accents.

                              Sit back, enjoy this new version of The Little Mermaid, and see how it turns out. You may be very pleasantly surprised.

                              P S One of my favourite games is trying to work out how famous films would sound if they were made in Wales.
                              Like Apollo 13... 'Huston? What it is, see, we got a bit of a problem.'
                              May not make sense to you, but most Welsh people think it's hysterical.
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                                #45
                                Re: People Are Making A Big Deal Of A Black Mermaid

                                Originally posted by Tylluan Penry View Post
                                I don't have a problem with a dark skinned, dark haired Little Mermaid. Just as i didn't have a problem with the Bollywood version of Pride and Prejudice - thought it was great. And there was one memorable version of Wuthering Heights where Heathcliff was clearly dark skinned and dark haired - something I had long suspected from reading the book.

                                Hollywood has, for a long time, got away with portraying foreign characters with white, English speaking actors. Even when the characters were neither white, nor, originally English speaking. All with ended up with was heavy make-up and bad accents.

                                Sit back, enjoy this new version of The Little Mermaid, and see how it turns out. You may be very pleasantly surprised.

                                P S One of my favourite games is trying to work out how famous films would sound if they were made in Wales.
                                Like Apollo 13... 'Huston? What it is, see, we got a bit of a problem.'
                                May not make sense to you, but most Welsh people think it's hysterical.
                                I think people need to be more upset about putting immigrants in cages at US camps also separating kids from families rather than a movie especially a cartoon movie that going to be live action.

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