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    Re: Can one fail as human being?

    Quote Originally Posted by Prickly Pear View Post
    I think BH is working on failing or succeeding as a human being somewhere along the lines of "Do what thou wilt, an it harm none". I don't think that that has ever been Trump's standard of succeeding as a human being. So yes, because we do not have an objective unassailable definition. Also, while Trump may fail by my personal moral standards, he is acting out some very human traits, so in that sense he is succeeding as a human being. All we have is philosophical debate. The reason we have so much contention going on here in the US is that we are working from different ideas of moral absolutes, and the current political climate plays into those clashes.
    What that suppose to mean?

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    Re: Can one fail as human being?

    I think that when humans try and judge the humanity of other humans by moral standards, they are engaging in a bit of comforting self deception. Unfortunately, it isn't a useful bit of self deception. It's usually easier to defeat problems that you understand. Strategy built on self-deception and wishful thinking has been known to lead to catastrophic (see Imperial Japan in WW2) and/or embarrassing (see current state of Iraq and Afghanistan after US intervention) ends.
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    Re: Can one fail as human being?

    in the sense of fulfilling the duty of country first over personal agenda i feel trump is failing this country in allowing his decisions to bring dishonor to our home country
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    Re: Can one fail as human being?

    Wait a minute. What's happening with this thread? Has it changed?

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    Re: Can one fail as human being?

    Technically we are just sorta here to live. Technically we all eventually fail. It's all the stuff in the middle that's completely subjective to each individual's definition of what is the opposite of failure is.

    I will personally not have a living descendant from me when I die. I will have all my possessions junked. I will only live in a few people's memories, though I tend to outlive and outlast everyone I know. Is that a failure? Nope. I'm having a blast!
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    Re: Can one fail as human being?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    How is Chump consider the greatest human being of all the bad stuff he did?
    He is considered to be real good by some people, it just depends who you ask. The "bad" stuff he did... Is it globally bad? I'm pretty sure his actions were good to a few. See where I'm getting to?

    This thread hasn't changed, it wasn't about Trump, never was. I just followed your example because it seemed easier for me to explain my point of view to you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    Technically we are just sorta here to live. Technically we all eventually fail. It's all the stuff in the middle that's completely subjective to each individual's definition of what is the opposite of failure is.

    I will personally not have a living descendant from me when I die. I will have all my possessions junked. I will only live in a few people's memories, though I tend to outlive and outlast everyone I know. Is that a failure? Nope. I'm having a blast!
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    Re: Can one fail as human being?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean R. R. View Post
    He is considered to be real good by some people, it just depends who you ask. The "bad" stuff he did... Is it globally bad? I'm pretty sure his actions were good to a few. See where I'm getting to?

    This thread hasn't changed, it wasn't about Trump, never was. I just followed your example because it seemed easier for me to explain my point of view to you.



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    Have you even watch the World News? Chump did so many bad stuff. Obviously you been living under a rock or you're just too blind to see that. I'm through wasting my time debating with you because I obviously know what I'm talking about.
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    Re: Can one fail as human being?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    Have you even watch the World News? Chump did so many bad stuff. Obviously you been living under a rock or you're just too blind to see that. I'm through wasting my time debating with you because I obviously know what I'm talking about.
    I know you are upset. Hell, we all are. But there is more than one person to blame for this mess we are in. And insulting a forum member isn't going to help you. Maybe you need a time out. Go get a drink of something sweet. A snack perhaps.
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    Re: Can one fail as human being?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    I know you are upset. Hell, we all are. But there is more than one person to blame for this mess we are in. And insulting a forum member isn't going to help you. Maybe you need a time out. Go get a drink of something sweet. A snack perhaps.
    My apologies everyone. But do try to understand where I coming from. But Sean comments really push my buttons. I still stand by what I said and my opinion about Chump won't change at all.

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    Re: Can one fail as human being?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bartmanhomer View Post
    My apologies everyone. But do try to understand where I coming from. But Sean comments really push my buttons. I still stand by what I said and my opinion about Chump won't change at all.
    Sean isn't trying to defend Trump. He's trying to make you look at something from more than one perspective. If he's pushing your buttons then it's because you aren't actually reading his post correctly. Calm down and look at what he's actually saying instead of flying off the handle.
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