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    Improve shaman meeting

    Hello,

    I planify to see again a shaman in some week.
    What should i do in your opinion to make it has efficient as possible?

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    Re: Improve shaman meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by mathieu View Post
    Hello,

    I planify to see again a shaman in some week.
    What should i do in your opinion to make it has efficient as possible?
    That depends on your intent and goal. I'm not going to ask what you're wanting to see them for. That's between you and the practitioner.

    What type of Shaman are you meeting? I presume you've met with a Shaman before, based on you saying "again". If so, how do you feel the last meeting went? Was it a good experience or a bad one? Based on your last experience, what do you feel could have gone differently?
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    Pray to your ancestors [dead relatives]. That's what we do in my culture. The shaman is the connection between our world and the spirit world. Ask your ancestors to help the shaman do his work as a connection between the two world, so the shaman can help you better. Talk to your ancestors first, and tell them what you need, what you need the shaman to do for you.

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    Re: Improve shaman meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Juniper View Post
    What type of Shaman are you meeting? I presume you've met with a Shaman before, based on you saying "again". If so, how do you feel the last meeting went? Was it a good experience or a bad one? Based on your last experience, what do you feel could have gone differently?

    I trully don't know exactly what type of shaman he is.
    A mix between many stuff like taoisme, shiatsu and other stuff. He plays drum and song like a shaman but he probably doesn't belong to the shamanism.

    I feel nothing special during three or for day and one morning, wahoo it's like I took off a veil.

    It's just maybe i wasn't that focus into it during the seance or i get hesitation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paganus View Post
    Pray to your ancestors [dead relatives]. That's what we do in my culture. The shaman is the connection between our world and the spirit world. Ask your ancestors to help the shaman do his work as a connection between the two world, so the shaman can help you better. Talk to your ancestors first, and tell them what you need, what you need the shaman to do for you.

    Thanks for your answear, I will try to do it and purify a bit myself before.

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    Re: Improve shaman meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by mathieu View Post
    I trully don't know exactly what type of shaman he is.
    A mix between many stuff like taoisme, shiatsu and other stuff. He plays drum and song like a shaman but he probably doesn't belong to the shamanism.

    I feel nothing special during three or for day and one morning, wahoo it's like I took off a veil.

    It's just maybe i wasn't that focus into it during the seance or i get hesitation.

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    Thanks for your answear, I will try to do it and purify a bit myself before.
    I must admit now you have my curiosity up.

    Drumming and singing have become pretty much common place and are found in many new age things as well as many plastic shamanic practices. So the inclusion of either really is not suggestive of it being shamanic in nature. Heck, many want-a-bee Indian's use drumming circles now a days as part of 24 hour long Vision Quest programs.

    Then the inclusion of a seance is really not a shamanic function either. Though I admit you haven't exactly stated what your defining a seance to be so I am left to use my own description and understanding of what one is. But for me it implies the usage of a "Medium" who will channel the departed spirits and may or may not actually employ a connected ring of people. Whether those spirits are "Ancestors", land spirits, restless dead, general dead, or channeled aliens depends upon what is in style I suppose.

    But in general a shaman in trance is definitely not a seance. He / she is walking the dimensions or seeking counsel with his / her guides or allies. In my experience there is not a whole lot of the person asking questions during the trance stage as you have to ask or pose your inquiry prior to him / her going into journey to gain information pertaining to your inquiry. For example for myself depending upon which allies or guides I am working with I will interact very little with the person and just tell them information to have detailed exchanges where they can ask some questions. But it also depends upon the nature of their queries.

    Also depending upon how deeply I am taken into journey / trance it is almost like an oracle speaking. I become a hollow bone / talking stick and it is all one sided. If the query is sloppy then you get a sloppy answer or no answer, if the query is clean then you get a clean answer.
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    Re: Improve shaman meeting

    Language barrier, but am I reading that you went to see a shaman, and, for whatever reason, it didn't "work"? That you didn;t feel anything special?

    Perhaps the issue isn't with you. It's a cruel assumption that we make in these sorts of contexts that the failure of some spell or cantrip is our failure, rather than the practitioners.

    Or, I read that totally wrong.

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    Re: Improve shaman meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhythm View Post
    Language barrier, but am I reading that you went to see a shaman, and, for whatever reason, it didn't "work"? That you didn;t feel anything special?

    Perhaps the issue isn't with you. It's a cruel assumption that we make in these sorts of contexts that the failure of some spell or cantrip is our failure, rather than the practitioners.

    Or, I read that totally wrong.

    Sorry for my english

    it worked in a pretty good way. The "shaman" clean myself from bad energy or bad stuff who were on me. I don't know how explain what happened but something happened.
    He told me to come a second times because he felt i would need it, so i will surelly go again.
    But as I want to take the best of it I came from advice.

    But you are right, in fact it's the second "shaman" i see. And with the first, i made a kind of journey to get answear to some questions. But I don't feel anything special.
    With the second, i was laying on my stomach, he dance, sing, play drum around me, burn some stuff, make very strange noise scream and cry too... It can even be scaring lol. At a moment he make think about something and make me talk with the people.
    And it worked very nicely 4 days after

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    Quote Originally Posted by monsno_leedra View Post
    I must admit now you have my curiosity up.

    Drumming and singing have become pretty much common place and are found in many new age things as well as many plastic shamanic practices. So the inclusion of either really is not suggestive of it being shamanic in nature. Heck, many want-a-bee Indian's use drumming circles now a days as part of 24 hour long Vision Quest programs.

    Then the inclusion of a seance is really not a shamanic function either. Though I admit you haven't exactly stated what your defining a seance to be so I am left to use my own description and understanding of what one is. But for me it implies the usage of a "Medium" who will channel the departed spirits and may or may not actually employ a connected ring of people. Whether those spirits are "Ancestors", land spirits, restless dead, general dead, or channeled aliens depends upon what is in style I suppose.

    But in general a shaman in trance is definitely not a seance. He / she is walking the dimensions or seeking counsel with his / her guides or allies. In my experience there is not a whole lot of the person asking questions during the trance stage as you have to ask or pose your inquiry prior to him / her going into journey to gain information pertaining to your inquiry. For example for myself depending upon which allies or guides I am working with I will interact very little with the person and just tell them information to have detailed exchanges where they can ask some questions. But it also depends upon the nature of their queries.

    Also depending upon how deeply I am taken into journey / trance it is almost like an oracle speaking. I become a hollow bone / talking stick and it is all one sided. If the query is sloppy then you get a sloppy answer or no answer, if the query is clean then you get a clean answer.



    So maybe he is not "a pur shaman", if it even exist.
    When I talk to him about his beleifs, he spoke about taoism, energy, spirit differents stuffs and told he does'nt belong in any case.

    The seance took place like this with him:
    We sit together and he hold my wrist while talking to me about my problems.
    I was laying on my stomach, he dance, sing, play drum around me, burn some stuff, make very strange noise scream and cry too... It can even be scaring lol. At a moment he make think about something and make me talk with the people.
    And it worked very nicely 4 days after

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    Re: Improve shaman meeting

    Is it something like this Mathieu:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFqjmlTeY7U

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    Re: Improve shaman meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by mathieu View Post
    .. So maybe he is not "a pur shaman", if it even exist.
    When I talk to him about his beleifs, he spoke about taoism, energy, spirit differents stuffs and told he does'nt belong in any case.

    The seance took place like this with him:
    We sit together and he hold my wrist while talking to me about my problems.
    I was laying on my stomach, he dance, sing, play drum around me, burn some stuff, make very strange noise scream and cry too... It can even be scaring lol. At a moment he make think about something and make me talk with the people.
    And it worked very nicely 4 days after
    Yeah that definitely is not a seance

    The screams, strange noises, cries, etc sounds like what he would go through to both get in contact with his guides / allies and journey to the spirit world. Depending upon the calling he may or may not have worn a regalia with his tokens / charms / ornaments, etc. That could be something as minor as jewelry and tattoo's to something as ornate and complex as animal skins, claws, talons, skulls, feathers, etc. Drums, rattles, shakers, bells or similar things to make a beat like sound are also used by different practitioners and methodologies. They can be used by the person themselves or by assistants. I've seen it done and have done it myself where you use smoke and shadows or fog and shadows to gain a similar effect. The shadows become the "ancestors" or "Spirits" the person is talking to in the shifting / swirling mass and the wind becomes their voices. The practitioner is moving and twisting through the mist / fog / smoke and is "Speaking" as they are being ridden / horsed. Yes it can be extremely scary in that regard for you don't know who or what will come out of the fog / mist / smoke.

    To me, this is just my perspective here understand, being on your stomach your in the same sort of blindness. Your vision is clouded but in this case but orientation and angle of observance. Your hearing is also clouded or fogged in that noise is above you and disoriented as you have to strain to hear it. It actually goes over you, not on a level equal with you. You don't specify if inside or outside so I assume inside but if outside then a degree of movement and disorientation is caused by foreign matter that is kicked up. If inside there is still that idea of disorientation caused by movement about the body and vibration through the floor as the beat is directed into the body by weight hitting as the practitioner moves about you. It impacts upon you as a physical force, an air force, an audio force upon your ears, a psychological force but also an in-balancing force.

    Figure part of the area the practitioner is trying to touch is your own astral plain. When he journeys to find answers he will journey not only to the spirit realm but will journey to the part of the spirit realm that touches upon your own internal astral plain. For when you have issue many times those issue will also lay buried within, concealed there. At times that is where physical touch will come into play in establishing a link to you. Sort of a psychic touch if you will.

    As to how quickly things will work, to be honest that will often depend upon what you've asked the person to do. Often it will also depend upon what you believe will happen and how deeply you believe in it yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paganus View Post
    Is it something like this Mathieu:


    It was more like this
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    Sorry i can't post link, it's the end of the youtube name video in french

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