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    Re: Improve shaman meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by mathieu View Post
    It was more like this
    zDz4jUiP4-Q

    Sorry i can't post link, it's the end of the youtube name video in french
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDz4jUiP4-Q

    Oh, I thought is was a traditional folk Chinese 'shaman'. You're in France.

    Just be cautious, and ensure that the shaman is "authentic."

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    Re: Improve shaman meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by paganus View Post
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDz4jUiP4-Q

    Oh, I thought is was a traditional folk Chinese 'shaman'. You're in France.

    Just be cautious, and ensure that the shaman is "authentic."
    Mathieu couldn't post links so thank you for posting his link, though you might find the admins say something. But then again may not.

    Anyway though i'd touch on a few points I noticed in the video and maybe other's will add to the discussion and maybe that will aid Mathieu. I add the disclaimer these "Thoughts" are based upon my observations and experiences so are not meant to be the only way nor imply my way is the correct observation of what is occurring.

    I notice the practitioner is smudging the area with a bundle of what appears to be "sage". From what I can see of it I'd presume it is white sage. That has sort of become a generic go to for cleansing of ritual space now. However it is not the only one that is used. Using the sage bundle to "sweep" the area over the person to be "assisted".

    The usage of the drum here and the beat meter is sort of high to me to be honest. I say that because of what the practitioner is doing by having the person lay down to slow their breathing down. Unless the practitioner is trying to summon their allies and attain their mindset at this point (possible as the video is choppy).

    To me when the practitioner starts running their hands over the person's head and down their body they are performing either auric work (something like therapeutic touch or Reiki healing) or chakra work. All three have similar practices of methodologies but actual application may vary from individual to individual or school of training. Later in the video you'll see her pulling from the body upwards and outwards from the head. Though it gets lost real quick as the practitioner then grabs her own hair to pull it back from her face. An action that how I was taught would actually mean she would have taken what ever she pulled from the person into her own body by touching her own. That's just an observation that jumped out at me, so take that with a grain of salt.

    But all that auric type work would be healing her auric body and stripping away any cling on's that have attached themselves to her.

    At one point the practitioner lays next to the person and seem's to almost touch head to head while she beats the drum. Not completely sure but it makes me think of when you try to connect mentally and match thoughts.

    The flame (candle) over her feet just a guess is also purification but also grounding.

    It's not shown clearly in the video but I wonder if the blanket didn't start out at her feet then was pulled up over her body as the ritual / ceremony progressed. In that capacity it becomes something like a protective womb enveloping her body but also like the auric body grows warm and healed to surround and protect her. During the video you see it lowered to about her waist with her arms outside the video and shown palm down. Then later it is up to about her neck and her arms are inside and covered.

    The beat meter definitely changes near the end of the video to a series of beats then a pause then repeats.

    I admit I am curious as to what the two bottles contained. I suspect they were some sort of oil but could not tell. You never see the white bowl being used during the video either.

    Would be curious to know exactly what was being said my French is awful as I haven't taken French since high school and that was back in the mid 70's.

    But in general I'd say this video was about cleansing and general health care of the auric body / spirit. But of course this is all my perspective and opinion from what I see happening so admit I could be wrong.
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    Re: Improve shaman meeting

    You description fit pretty well what we did.
    I assume it was more a cleaning practice than a shamanism one?

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    Re: Improve shaman meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by mathieu View Post
    You description fit pretty well what we did.
    I assume it was more a cleaning practice than a shamanism one?
    Many Shamanic rituals / ceremonies are preceded by cleansing rituals that are technically similar to what was shown here. The issue I suppose is that there is no clear point I suppose that states this is a shamanic ritual and this is a ______ ritual. You can fill the blank in with nearly anything.

    I've seen where Christian mystic's who retreated into the "wilds" to receive vision's have done exactly the same things as Native American's who went on Vision Quest have done to receive their Visions. Each also goes through a period of "Cleansing & Purification" as part of their questing. Other pathway's include lesser cleansing rituals such as simple baths and fastings prior to ceremonies & rituals. Unfortunately some require death as a precursor as the cleansing ritual which marks it as a shamanic ceremony. That was mine, I died in my youth then came close a few more times.

    One thing I'd advise though is if you are going to a practitioner have a specific question in mind. It sounds like you've been cleansed and purified already. Though not sure how long ago that actually was now. If to long it is possible a true practitioner might tell you that you need to do it again before they will aid you. If your paying for things they might tell you that it is needed simply to milk you out of money.

    But most of all don't presume someone is legitimate simply because they say they are or because they claim to have been trained by someone. Their are people out there who claim to be from various nation's teaching people how to be "shaman" who have been disowned by those nations. People teaching who have made up complete practices and claim to be taught after living with various groups. Other's who've gotten training from who knows where or from family lineages that are composites of various influences.

    Shamanism exploded on the occult market in the late 90's and 2000's and really begin to be included in nearly all forms of paganism after that. Everyone suddenly had to have a totem and power animal or something similar. Guides and some form of journey or world walking / guided meditations became the rage it seemed. It has been going strong since then and shamanic practitioners are all over now. About the only thing that has competed with them is the influence of African Traditional Practice (ATR) influences. Nearly all of your shamanic influences now seem to have a lot of Native American influences such as the usage of sage for purification for instance.
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    Re: Improve shaman meeting

    Well you had a point, but I don' tthink the guy i'am going to see for a second time is a scam. Because differents people tolds me good things about him. And it seems to works for me, just i'am coming from far away

    Maybe as i'am new to it we only do the cleaning ritual but maybe we can do more things later when i would have improve myself.

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    Re: Improve shaman meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by mathieu View Post
    Well you had a point, but I don' tthink the guy i'am going to see for a second time is a scam. Because differents people tolds me good things about him. And it seems to works for me, just i'am coming from far away

    Maybe as i'am new to it we only do the cleaning ritual but maybe we can do more things later when i would have improve myself.
    That's the big thing, that it works for you.

    As to him being a scammer or such, well you'll have to make that determination to be honest. That's the bad part about many practitioners. Shamanism at it's core is usually designed to be a living practice, not a belief or religious system. It usually exists within the frame work of a system where the Shaman works in conjunction with the religious people of the system. The Shaman reading the spirits and walking the worlds to aid the religious side of the society. They often exist on the fringes of their societies but are still very important parts of their societies. However, they still pray to the same divinities as the member's of the societies they support and are a part of.

    Today you find a lot of people who have made Shamanism a religion vice a practice that supports its society. Because of how it is working many practitioner's have no tribe / nation or group they are actually associated with nor are directly supporting. There is no social / cultural / heritage that binds them to the people they are tied to. Word of mouth is one thing regarding his / her abilities and success. But it doesn't touch what happens when his / her allies , guides, powers / medicine is seen in action by multiple people and witnessed over and over. Especially when it is also in support of the religious side of the community of other shamanic practitioners in the community who do things that would cover healings, fecundity & fertility, warrior cults, blood rights & moon time, death rites, spirit keeping, etc.

    Maybe you can do more things when you grow and improve yourself. But never allow yourself to open your mind to the point that your brain falls out in order to believe what someone is telling you or trying to sell you. A good scam artist will sell you a product and make you want it, just a he / she has sold it to others before you. Not saying he is not saying he isn't, trust your own judgement.

    All I'll say for certain is I have no horse in this race. Not asking for no payment nor gifting. Tell me what you can and I'll do my best to tell you what I think you where exposed to and that is all I can offer. That and do my best to give you an idea of what I think the process is meant to do based upon my experiences or what you might get out of them. No more no less, then leave it up to you as to what you can take from my answers.

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    Re: Improve shaman meeting

    Quote Originally Posted by monsno_leedra View Post
    Mathieu couldn't post links so thank you for posting his link, though you might find the admins say something. But then again may not.

    Anyway though i'd touch on a few points I noticed in the video and maybe other's will add to the discussion and maybe that will aid Mathieu. I add the disclaimer these "Thoughts" are based upon my observations and experiences so are not meant to be the only way nor imply my way is the correct observation of what is occurring.

    I notice the practitioner is smudging the area with a bundle of what appears to be "sage". From what I can see of it I'd presume it is white sage. That has sort of become a generic go to for cleansing of ritual space now. However it is not the only one that is used. Using the sage bundle to "sweep" the area over the person to be "assisted".

    The usage of the drum here and the beat meter is sort of high to me to be honest. I say that because of what the practitioner is doing by having the person lay down to slow their breathing down. Unless the practitioner is trying to summon their allies and attain their mindset at this point (possible as the video is choppy).

    To me when the practitioner starts running their hands over the person's head and down their body they are performing either auric work (something like therapeutic touch or Reiki healing) or chakra work. All three have similar practices of methodologies but actual application may vary from individual to individual or school of training. Later in the video you'll see her pulling from the body upwards and outwards from the head. Though it gets lost real quick as the practitioner then grabs her own hair to pull it back from her face. An action that how I was taught would actually mean she would have taken what ever she pulled from the person into her own body by touching her own. That's just an observation that jumped out at me, so take that with a grain of salt.

    But all that auric type work would be healing her auric body and stripping away any cling on's that have attached themselves to her.

    At one point the practitioner lays next to the person and seem's to almost touch head to head while she beats the drum. Not completely sure but it makes me think of when you try to connect mentally and match thoughts.

    The flame (candle) over her feet just a guess is also purification but also grounding.

    It's not shown clearly in the video but I wonder if the blanket didn't start out at her feet then was pulled up over her body as the ritual / ceremony progressed. In that capacity it becomes something like a protective womb enveloping her body but also like the auric body grows warm and healed to surround and protect her. During the video you see it lowered to about her waist with her arms outside the video and shown palm down. Then later it is up to about her neck and her arms are inside and covered.

    The beat meter definitely changes near the end of the video to a series of beats then a pause then repeats.

    I admit I am curious as to what the two bottles contained. I suspect they were some sort of oil but could not tell. You never see the white bowl being used during the video either.

    Would be curious to know exactly what was being said my French is awful as I haven't taken French since high school and that was back in the mid 70's.

    But in general I'd say this video was about cleansing and general health care of the auric body / spirit. But of course this is all my perspective and opinion from what I see happening so admit I could be wrong.
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