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    Re: My Truth About Transgender Athletes

    No matter what I think that it is good to see that people are accepting transgender people in sports. Transgender is still such a hot topic among many which I don't think it should be. If you feel like you are another gender then you have the right to change sexes and not be judged. So I think it is great that transgendered people can participate in sports.
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    Re: My Truth About Transgender Athletes

    Quote Originally Posted by anubisa View Post
    No matter what I think that it is good to see that people are accepting transgender people in sports. Transgender is still such a hot topic among many which I don't think it should be. If you feel like you are another gender then you have the right to change sexes and not be judged. So I think it is great that transgendered people can participate in sports.
    I agree. Facts.

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    I wonder why people imagine than mtf trans are stronger? Or why it would be a problem if some were? It's uncommon for trans people to compete in sports, and even less common for them to win. When they do, it's because they have some particular attribute or constellation of attributes that is very specifically beneficial to the event they're competing in. The past presence of peen not being one of them, as far as I'm aware. This is the same for any competitive cis.

    Michael Phelps was built to swim. I'm not. Ronda Rousey would mercilessly destroy me in MMA - even though I'm a trained combatant. That's -before- any comment on the outcome of the physically debilitating process of gender reassignment. Hey, let's look at weightlifting. A trans lifter named Laurel Hubbard has been in and out of news over the past few years. She's crushed it a couple of times in NZ. That sounds impressive and, on the face of it might seem to confirm those strange ideas we have about trans people and sports......until we realize that she crushed it in NZ, with 280kg totals, at best (but usually less).

    A cis female by the name of Li Wenwen pulls 332kgs regularly.

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    Re: My Truth About Transgender Athletes

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhythm View Post
    I wonder why people imagine than mtf trans are stronger? Or why it would be a problem if some were? It's uncommon for trans people to compete in sports, and even less common for them to win. When they do, it's because they have some particular attribute or constellation of attributes that is very specifically beneficial to the event they're competing in. The past presence of peen not being one of them, as far as I'm aware. This is the same for any competitive cis.

    Michael Phelps was built to swim. I'm not. Ronda Rousey would mercilessly destroy me in MMA - even though I'm a trained combatant. That's -before- any comment on the outcome of the physically debilitating process of gender reassignment. Hey, let's look at weightlifting. A trans lifter named Laurel Hubbard has been in and out of news over the past few years. She's crushed it a couple of times in NZ. That sounds impressive and, on the face of it might seem to confirm those strange ideas we have about trans people and sports......until we realize that she crushed it in NZ, with 280kg totals, at best (but usually less).

    A cis female by the name of Li Wenwen pulls 332kgs regularly.
    Some people are very narrow-minded and they believed that trans athletes have no business in sports to compete with cis athletes.

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    Sure, but I'm wondering why.

    At every point down the rabbit hole it just gets stranger. We could imagine, for example, that Ms. Wenwen was taking performance enhancing drugs. Yes, she's a cis female, but the presence of these substances directly correlates with performance...and generally correlates with biological sex. Perhaps, knowing more now about performance than before, we might realize that our boys division/girls division was simplistic, and didn't reflect the full realities of human biological potential. Maybe we should have testosterone divisions?

    Wouldn't that confirm our strange ideas about trans people and sports..also? Well, no. Trans athletes have consistently lower levels of testosterone than their cisgendered peers. That's one of the effects of the medication schedule, and it's a feature - not a bug. Trans athletes have voluntarily signed up for a competitive disadvantage. The performance gap between mtf trans and cis male is greater than the performance gap between cis female and cis male.
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    Re: My Truth About Transgender Athletes

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhythm View Post
    Sure, but I'm wondering why.

    At every point down the rabbit hole, it just gets stranger. We could imagine, for example, that Ms. Wenwen was taking performance-enhancing drugs. Yes, she's a cis female, but the presence of these substances directly correlates with performance...and generally correlates with biological sex. Perhaps, knowing more now about performance than before, we might realize that our boy's division/girls division was simplistic, and didn't reflect the full realities of human biological potential. Maybe we should have testosterone divisions?

    Wouldn't that confirm our strange ideas about trans people and sports..also? Well, no. Trans athletes have consistently lower levels of testosterone than their cisgender peers. That's one of the effects of the medication schedule, and it's a feature - not a bug. Trans athletes have voluntarily signed up for a competitive disadvantage. The performance gap between mtf trans and cis male is greater than the performance gap between cis female and cis male.
    That's also very controversial about testosterone drugs and performance-enhancing drugs. If drug companies nerfed these drugs then it would balance the sports competition between trans athletes and cis athletes.

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    Why would it, and what is there to balance? Trans athletes already have consistently lower levels of testosterone than their cisgendered peers. That's lower levels than their peers who are....and who aren't..... juicing. They already underperform compared to their cisgendered peers, and the performance gap between them and males, and cisgendered female athletes and males, is already larger.

    Getting rid of the juicers, or the juice, would still leave trans athletes with lower levels, lower performance, and a wider gap. If anything, and if these strange intuitions we have are correct, trans athletes should be allowed to take performance enhancing drugs to reach parity. Stranger as we go. There's no one out there transitioning to win at sports, because that's not actually how any of that works. There's no problem, no there, there to be controversial or need balancing or anything at all. It's the perceptual equivalent of a jumpscare.

    If we ended up with an "only female" female division, and a more inclusive "any female" female division...regular old cisgendered females would be mopping the floor with cisgendered women and transwomen alike all day every day - just like they already are.
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    Re: My Truth About Transgender Athletes

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhythm View Post
    Why would it, and what is there to balance? Trans athletes already have consistently lower levels of testosterone than their cisgendered peers. That's lower levels than their peers who are....and who aren't..... juicing. They already underperform compared to their cisgendered peers, and the performance gap between them and males, and cisgendered female athletes and males, is already larger.

    Getting rid of the juicers, or the juice, would still leave trans athletes with lower levels, lower performance, and a wider gap. If anything, and if these strange intuitions we have are correct, trans athletes should be allowed to take performance enhancing drugs to reach parity. Stranger as we go. There's no one out there transitioning to win at sports, because that's not actually how any of that works. There's no problem, no there, there to be controversial or need balancing or anything at all. It's the perceptual equivalent of a jumpscare.

    If we ended up with an "only female" female division, and a more inclusive "any female" female division...regular old cisgendered females would be mopping the floor with cisgendered women and transwomen alike all day every day - just like they already are.
    You do have a very good point there.

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    At the end of the day, I think that there really is only one point to the whole mess. It has nothing to do with mtf trans, or athletes, or fairness in sports. It's a cynical political lever .

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    Re: My Truth About Transgender Athletes

    Quote Originally Posted by Rhythm View Post
    At the end of the day, I think that there really is only one point to the whole mess. It has nothing to do with my trans or athletes or fairness in sports. It's a cynical political lever.
    I agree it always has to do with politics.

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