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    Re: Encounters with people after working magick towards them

    Serena542,

    Interesting, you come here asking if we've had similar experiences then get upset when we respond. It seems all you wanted was a simple yes or no answer. Yet none of us will ever give such an answer for it fails you and belittles us to do so. Our answers contain the yes or no within the possibilities we suggest as potential reasons for your results / conclusions. Realistically most of us will never except blind results to our own castings and always look to the "hows" and "whys" of what happened. Even if we achieved positive results, we strive to get better or understand our workings.

    To be honest all three of your situations indicate to me higher level focus of your mind only. Yet you fail to recognize the lower level connections and sideways thinking that your own mind utilizes to store memories and connections. It's like this very discussion here is a lateral line of attachment to those very people you've said your trying to detach from. So much for your jar spell and its effectiveness. You've reconnected to them in your own active mind again and re-enforced the lateral lines that were already established that were never severed.

    Just in the process of preparing your jar spell you not only recharge the main connection your recharge all the lateral connection. People forget your connected to those targets not only directly but also via anyone that you may have shared a connection to them with. That doesn't even touch the idea of "Physical Space" connections such as buildings, locations, etc that are triggers that will automatically initiate those lateral triggers. That or lateral people triggers that also initiate and activate them. Even your target person can be a lateral trigger since your own focus upon them can be an unconscious trigger on their part and cause a return energy back at you.

    And yes I've experienced most of it or some variation of it in my early workings when I thought I knew what I was doing but really had no clue.
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    Re: Encounters with people after working magick towards them

    Interesting, you come here asking if we've had similar experiences then get upset when we respond. It seems all you wanted was a simple yes or no answer. Yet none of us will ever give such an answer for it fails you and belittles us to do so. Our answers contain the yes or no within the possibilities we suggest as potential reasons for your results / conclusions. Realistically most of us will never except blind results to our own castings and always look to the "hows" and "whys" of what happened. Even if we achieved positive results, we strive to get better or understand our workings.
    I would be more willing to accept constructive criticism if I hadn't been met with such condescension, your answer included. So no, I'm not receptive to most of the feedback I've gotten. I do not appreciate being belittled by people who make assumptions about my practice and my character based on one facet of information I've provided.

    My bio might say "newbie" but I'm quite experienced
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    Re: Encounters with people after working magick towards them

    Quote Originally Posted by Serena542 View Post

    Two out of three have no reason to want to socialize with me, did you miss the part about one of them not speaking to me for a year and only messaging me to lie? Not to mention a cutthroat manager. I'm not going to assume the best about these people because they've shown me who they are.
    You were the one who started being condescending. You are bound to be met by a similar resistance if you outright are defensive from the get-go. (Unless my non-native English speaker limitations are kicking in and I'm reading this the wrong way). I didn't personally notice anyone being outright condescending towards you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Serena542 View Post
    There are no coincidences in magick.
    That is your own belief. In the future try to state it as in "I don't believe in coincidences in magick". Otherwise people will assume you're stating that as a general truth. In which case they will try to debate that, if they disagree.

    Quote Originally Posted by Serena542 View Post
    Nowhere did I ask for anybody's input on whether my rituals worked, that is for me to determine.
    While I agree that only you can determine if your rituals worked, this is still a forum, and people will share and compare their experience to yours. That is how discussion is born and advancement of a topic is achieved.

    Quote Originally Posted by Serena542 View Post
    I didn't come here to be met with naysaying in a supposed "safe space" for these sorts of things. Just because you don't understand my personal experience doesn't mean you have to act dismissive towards my practice.
    There's a S.A.F.E. category in the forum explicitly for this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Serena542 View Post
    I've specifically stated for people to put their moral judgement aside and share if they'd had similar experiences.
    That's what people did. We all add a bit of our experience to our answer, if you were expecting a yes or no answer, a forum might not be the best place to go IMHO. Sometimes we seek confirmation that what we experience is also shared by other people, which is fine and natural, but assuming people will filter themselves to just answer with a yes or no answer, with no nuance or details of their experience (and, willingly or not, compare it to yours) is not very just on your part. Otherwise forums would be a bunch of exactly the same thread, with different author, with only Yes or No answers below the original post. No discussion or interest in that, isn't it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Serena542 View Post
    I would be more willing to accept constructive criticism if I hadn't been met with such condescension, your answer included. So no, I'm not receptive to most of the feedback I've gotten. I do not appreciate being belittled by people who make assumptions about my practice and my character based on one facet of information I've provided.
    No one is belittling you. We are sharing our experiences, comparing it to yours to find similarities and differences, and expanding on it.

    And now that's off my chest, let me answer to your OP on your terms: Yes.

    Here's my experience and details, which I'm posting for anyone who cares about a delusional Satanist's wrongdoings: (DISCLAIMER: there are as many Satanisms as they are Satanists, no two of us are the same, this is just MY Satanism's point of view and experience)

    Vengeance through magic (or not) is a topic often discussed in Satanism. It has a lot of nuance to it, in fact. Not turning the other cheek is generally a rule of thumb for most of our practitioners. The usage of magic or not depends of how much of an instant gratification the practitioner is seeking when conducting his act of vengeance. Some will combine both. We need no moral justification for our acts other than our own peace of mind, which is a good indicator that we're not breaking any of our own moral values, or that we are psycopaths.

    Personally, I've conducted acts of vengeance twice in my life. Both successful, IMHO. The first one I did through communion with Demons of my personal "pantheon" in which I asked simply for something to prevent my target from doing what made them happy. Causing moderate carpal tunnel to a passionate graphic designer/digital artist was certainly satisfying. The second one, after suffering a double betrayal by a very close "friend" and an ex-partner (who wasn't an ex at the time of the betrayal), was focused on their own toxicity. I knew both for several years, and I knew how toxic and manipulative they could both be in a relationship. Using only my raw emotion, passion and anger, I desired to bind them by blood. And by blood they were bound: "blessed" with a child, daughter of their betrayal against me. And mind you, she was using an IUD at the time of conception. Now they live both unemployed, in one of their parent's house, leeching off them, and money from the government (though this last part doesn't matter to me personally, for I too live off government money at the moment. However I do know that is definitely something they mind).

    Those times were wild.

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    Re: Encounters with people after working magick towards them

    It's incredibly condescending to believe that a jar full of vinegar and angst can make other people do anything.

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    Re: Encounters with people after working magick towards them

    Quote Originally Posted by Serena542 View Post
    Before anyone freaks out, I'm not involved in anything really dark, but the rituals were related to a vinegar jar and petition burning in a mini cauldron. All have been lawful towards people who wronged me in some way.
    Pfft, some of us are Satanists and Demonolators and other treaders of the LHPs. Most of us have worked execration magick of some description at some point in time and many of us are also experienced in defensive magick and curse/hex breaking. You're unlikely to receive much in the way of overly judgemental criticism against your personal ethics and boundaries here. If any long-standing PF members do judge you, it will be on your actions and words here, on this forum, in response to our interactions with you. Your magick is your business. But the way you interact with us is our business .

    Quote Originally Posted by Serena542 View Post
    I've recently noticed a pattern with my magickal workings where I've had out-of-the-blue encounters with people I've worked offensive magick rituals towards.
    As an experienced practitioner I'm sure you know that working magick towards someone can create energetic ties to them, ESPECIALLY when there are strong emotions, trauma or high angst wrapped up in it. Not to mention the energetic ties that already exist between any two people who have interacted. That's why most good execration magick involves poppets, mirrors, servitors or other techniques that create an alternative energetic anchor... they prevent the formation of these energetic bonds, give you something to transfer existing energetic ties onto and help protect you from whatever energy or intention might bounce back at you.

    So yes, you can absolutely have sudden 'out of the blue' encounters with people you work magick towards if you haven't taken adequate steps to prevent it. That's how energetic ties work.

    And as a side note (at the risk of setting you off into further unwarranted defensiveness and inviting an accusation of condescension)... this is exactly why a lot of experienced practitioners caution against retribution style workings when there is lots of emotional baggage involved. It's not about the ethics of the working... but the potential undesirable side effects. If you truly want to remove a person's energy and influence from your life, then magick that cuts ties and blocks influence is far more reliable and far more effective, with a very low risk of forming or increasing unhealthy energetic bonds. Using raw emotion to work offensive magick can be powerful but it's extremely risky with big potential for bounce-back... which is what you are seeing here with two of your workings. That's not to say that you shouldn't do it... just that it's not the safest and most effective method to use, and there might be unwanted consequences.

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    Re: Encounters with people after working magick towards them

    Quote Originally Posted by Serena542 View Post
    I would be more willing to accept constructive criticism if I hadn't been met with such condescension, your answer included. So no, I'm not receptive to most of the feedback I've gotten. I do not appreciate being belittled by people who make assumptions about my practice and my character based on one facet of information I've provided.

    My bio might say "newbie" but I'm quite experienced
    Actually no one has made a comment about either your character or practice. Everything has been directed at your "workings" in this particular instance. The totality of your practice has not been addressed accept to the degree you've brought it up and other's may have responded to that. Your individual character or personality I haven't honestly seen addressed.

    Everything in my post applies directly to the preparation and formulation of your workings in this instance. All items that would have to be considered to effectively sever connections and put them into or onto something else. Also part of the process of burying the jar and forgetting about it as well as selecting the items to be placed inside of the jar.
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    Re: Encounters with people after working magick towards them

    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Your spell included your intentions and your energy. It has drawn attention to you. For one reason or another the spell itself may failed, but that connection was still formed and you came into their mind. Just because they aren't practitioners, doesn't mean they don't have intuition or sensitivity. It may also be that this reaching out is a mid point to your spell, allowing something closer to your intent to manifest, or giving you a resounding opportunity to firmly break things off yourself. There are many reasons that a spell fails, and yes I may say that there *are* coincidences in magic, but throwing something at someone can get their attention, even if you miss, and especially if that thing is a brick.
    Oddly enough, I've had the bolded happen before. I wanted a housemate gone and called on various things to get him away from me. Shortly thereafter he made the mistake of getting caught in a demonstrable lie about a communication and I lost my temper rather loudly. It also gave me an excuse to pointedly and actively complicate his life. He left not long after. I was not entirely thrilled at being used by my own casting but it solved the problem so I can't really complain.
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    Re: Encounters with people after working magick towards them

    Quote Originally Posted by MaskedOne View Post
    Oddly enough, I've had the bolded happen before. I wanted a housemate gone and called on various things to get him away from me. Shortly thereafter he made the mistake of getting caught in a demonstrable lie about a communication and I lost my temper rather loudly. It also gave me an excuse to pointedly and actively complicate his life. He left not long after. I was not entirely thrilled at being used by my own casting but it solved the problem so I can't really complain.
    Imo witchcraft is about getting one's hands dirty. It's work to manifest power and we do a lot of physical things like spell jars or poppets or even just the ritual practice itself. I don't think it's unreasonable for magic to use physical routes to accomplish things, or that something should purely be mundane or magic. We exist in an interconnected system with our magical and mudane. Our desires, and in many cases our magic, doesn't function logically or on what is most convenient, but what the energies or powers that be can be directed into most readily.

    A friend of mine was having an issue with her ex so her, some friends, and I did some magic about it. Nothing baneful, but warding up the wazoo since her ex is a practioner also, she found evidence of him hexing her, and she isn't great with psychic self defense. She obtained a court order the next week to get him out of their apartment and got an expedited restraining order. Our mutual friend attributed this to our magic. I was a bit more on the "maybe that did it" side but, I'm a firm believer that magic will manfiest where it can and it's the discerning witch who capitalizes on whatever opportunity arises.
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    Re: Encounters with people after working magick towards them

    Like I said, it worked so I can't really complain. The route was moderately unexpected but that's life.

    Also, it's not like my spells having funny twists when I endeavor to defend someone or expel a problem is without precedent.
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    Aslan, Prince Caspian by CS Lewis



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    Re: Encounters with people after working magick towards them

    Odd man out, lol, but I don't have any stories like that to share. Anytime that what I'm doing works it's completely unremarkable, because people know what I'm doing. That's the most important part of how it works. That we bottle up our intensely experienced feelings about others, to the point that we work some spell against them in private, might be a big part of how we came to have such misgivings in the first place. The more people know about you, how you feel, and what you're doing, the more they care and the less likely they are to engage in behaviors which might harm you.

    The psychology of personal investment and reciprocity might not be supernatural, but it is powerful. In that we ascribe spiritual meaning to our private experience and our relationships with others, it's no less magical than a cantrip. It has the benefit of leveraging forces which we can understand and quantify and hold in our hands completely, as well. That's something I've never understood about the idea of offensive magic as described in our community. Supposing that it does work, wouldn't it be a weapon of unknown provenance, use, and devastation? I hear it described as though it were a rifle, but it might be more like a suicide vest.

    At the end of the day, I think that the idea harms our community. Just as much and for the same reasons that it would harm a christian community to be found praying that god would hurt some other person. It makes paganism...as a religion(or constellation of religions).. seem unserious, at best. At worst, actively harmful and unhealthy.
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