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    My classics professor is going to drive me feral. She's going for a very heavy "psychoanalytic" and gender dynamic approach to the Iliad. This manages to offend both my classics loving half and the half of my with a psychology degree. All my will power is going into not asking for a source on whatever she thinks an "Achilles complex" is since "psychologists discuss it" but neither I, nor google scholar, know what that is. It looks like only one person has published anything on it and urban dictionary is on the front page of normal google results. I know not if I want to weep or snarl, I paid money for this class.
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    My classics professor is going to drive me feral. She's going for a very heavy "psychoanalytic" and gender dynamic approach to the Iliad. This manages to offend both my classics loving half and the half of my with a psychology degree. All my will power is going into not asking for a source on whatever she thinks an "Achilles complex" is since "psychologists discuss it" but neither I, nor google scholar, know what that is. It looks like only one person has published anything on it and urban dictionary is on the front page of normal google results. I know not if I want to weep or snarl, I paid money for this class.
    can't say anything about her teaching. But my very first search hit was a PubMed publication on "Preoedipal Trauma, Rage and Repetition", so maybe give the search another shot if you wanna know what she's on about.
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    can't say anything about her teaching. But my very first search hit was a PubMed publication on "Preoedipal Trauma, Rage and Repetition", so maybe give the search another shot if you wanna know what she's on about.
    Yeah thats the one article I was talking about and I just need to emphasize that the second hit is Urban Dictionary. One paper is fringe not an established part of psychology. The author is Demetria E Delia and that paper is the first result when searching for her. She has a private practice in NJ as a social worker and psychoanalysist. As far as I can tell this is the only paper she's published, which is weird given she's been in practice 30 years. The extent of her business practice online is a single one star review with no comment and while she has a medical license registered in NJ, I couldn't figure out what institution issued it. I read the introduction, since it's only available through guildford press and behind a paywall, and it's dated to say the least. The paper was cited 4 times, of those four they in turn were cited 14, 5, 1, and 0 times respectively. This is unknown, this is the definition of fringe, and this is the only source I was able to find that even used the term "Achilles complex"

    I'm welcome to anyone that can find more, but I'm fairly convinced this is just not a thing beyond this one paper and apparently my classics classroom.
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    So does your classics professor have any background in psych worth talking about or are they a lay person who has read one or two articles without having the skill set to judge what they read? A professor falling victim to Dunning-Kruger would be hilarious if you weren't currently taking their class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Yeah thats the one article I was talking about and I just need to emphasize that the second hit is Urban Dictionary. One paper is fringe not an established part of psychology. The author is Demetria E Delia and that paper is the first result when searching for her. She has a private practice in NJ as a social worker and psychoanalysist. As far as I can tell this is the only paper she's published, which is weird given she's been in practice 30 years. The extent of her business practice online is a single one star review with no comment and while she has a medical license registered in NJ, I couldn't figure out what institution issued it. I read the introduction, since it's only available through guildford press and behind a paywall, and it's dated to say the least. The paper was cited 4 times, of those four they in turn were cited 14, 5, 1, and 0 times respectively. This is unknown, this is the definition of fringe, and this is the only source I was able to find that even used the term "Achilles complex"

    I'm welcome to anyone that can find more, but I'm fairly convinced this is just not a thing beyond this one paper and apparently my classics classroom.
    i got a few more hits on valid sources. But upon further inspection you're right, they all lead back to that same article. Kinda annoyed I don't have my paid access anymore. I'm curious.
    That's a very long, rambling urban dictionary entry though.

    Also seems to be a band name xD
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    Re: The Rant Thread (v1.3)

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    So does your classics professor have any background in psych worth talking about or are they a lay person who has read one or two articles without having the skill set to judge what they read? A professor falling victim to Dunning-Kruger would be hilarious if you weren't currently taking their class.
    Supposedly she's married to a psychologist, but she also tends to say "I'm not a psychologist though" at least once a class. She's written a few books and her teacher profiles all call her "interdisciplinary" and mentions modernism, psychoanalysis, and film. Psychoanalytic and gender based readings of classics are well trodden and valid, and I don't necessarily have any problem with how she's interpreting the work. Achilles definitely has a complex, but an Achilles Complex isn't a well trodden psychoanalytic theory. I have a problem with misrepresentation of my field and this wishy washy approach to scholarship.

    Class one started with "the greeks were originally a matriarchy, don't you know?" and I didn't feel the need to spend my time shooting down great goddess theory of history in mycenaean greece.

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    Achilles Complex would be an excellent band name.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvus View Post
    Supposedly she's married to a psychologist, but she also tends to say "I'm not a psychologist though" at least once a class. She's written a few books and her teacher profiles all call her "interdisciplinary" and mentions modernism, psychoanalysis, and film. Psychoanalytic and gender based readings of classics are well trodden and valid, and I don't necessarily have any problem with how she's interpreting the work. Achilles definitely has a complex, but an Achilles Complex isn't a well trodden psychoanalytic theory. I have a problem with misrepresentation of my field and this wishy washy approach to scholarship.
    Crappy scholarship is generally offensive to anyone who recognizes it as such and isn't making money off it.


    Class one started with "the greeks were originally a matriarchy, don't you know?" and I didn't feel the need to spend my time shooting down great goddess theory of history in mycenaean greece.

    ...

    Achilles Complex would be an excellent band name.
    Better you than me, I would have had an overwhelming desire to drop a course on the first day.

    Yes, Achilles Complex could make for an interesting band name.
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    Applications of psychology by those who have an acquaintance with theory but lack carefully conducted training inevitably results in projection (the "theorist describes it's own psychological state while simultaneously believing it is describing the psychological state of another).

    A question I would ask n this class when given psych out sort followed by the disclaimer " but I'm not a psychologist" is:

    "Considering the high probability of projection when amateurs practice psychology, how do you know that what you are teaching me is an objective description of the subject matter currently in discussion, and not your personal inner life laid bare in public?"

    A coherent response devoid of extensive qualifiers would be the ideal response, no response = I've never considered that before and I'm not sure I want to now, and the postmodernist answer (the one you will most likely get) is: "It doesn't matter, all responses are equally valid."

    A good response to the postmodernist declaration might be: "So when we are graded, any thought I had, any response I made to questions, any idea I express verbally and in writing is as valid as what you are teaching, and the same is true for the entire class, so the entire class gets A?"

    IMHO, the best way to deal with what appears to be pretentious teaching is to ask honest and reasonable questions, and observe the trajectory waste matter makes on its journey from source to ventilator and beyond.
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