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    I just found this forum the other day and i like it so far, but on some of the threads i have read the text looks strange. I think it is bb code, which is to format rtf styles like puntuation, and typeface and that. I can still read some of it. It seems to be on page two of posts i have seen.

    Is this a setting? I am a primitive man in terms of technology, nearly luddite for many years. I bought this phone last summer, it is all the internet i have. I am not complaining, i just dont understand.

    Like many in this section I am seeker of knowledge here. I wonder if this is the right place to learn. I like the forum style, it reminds me of the old days with the bbs and all that. Its a rare familiar thing in a modern world that is perplexing to me.

    I have so many questions, i feel like a ball of jumbled yarn, all tangled with chaff and burrs. I think much of my inspiration came from fantasy stories that were fictional. I still wonder about some of them, that perhaps the author was sharing some secrets or something.

    At present i can read text sites and see pictures but its very slow. I binged on disney plus movies and now i have no data left. I liked the marvel movies alot, but then i liked harry potter too. Some one very uptight once said that "h potter is as offensive to a real pagan as jesus christ superstar would be to a baptist" we were drinking at the time, so i thought it was funny then. I threatened her with mispronouncing words in latin and waving about a special stick.

    I feel drawn to the Old Ways, to primitivism in general, to ancient american culture, to the music of Heilung, and the names Norse Pantheon. I feel a deep kinship with Our Lord, Our Lady, and thier childe, me. I am drawn to threes and diagrams of trefoil design, boromilian rings, boro something. There is a sigil of the old norse with triangles that is similar. I think about the goddess alot but dont like the word at all, as it implies that first there was god(male) then there was goddess(its a longer word) thats proly unclear. I just say Her or Mother or Oma or Nanna, or things like that. Jan Jan sometimes, she was the femdios of an old woman i knew as a boy

    I worry about neopaganism being a patchwork quilt, and never heard of eclectic pagan before coming here. It seems like a buffet dinner spirituality, which is mostly how i have been before i guess. I dont often speak aloud. I have a small altar, undedicated to any specific diety. How can guidance come from an unnamed source?

    I understand the horned god to be older, that Pan had horns as did Wodan, and others too i think it used to be a theme in art and that they used to denote nobility in humans or godsblood. I believe jesuits altered and abused an older faith that they were in competition with, and invented a boogy man to get people to build the new god temples out of stones. I cannot hear the Song in those places, only silence. How can they worship the allgood without flowers and crikets and birds and butterflies and clouds and trees and all that?

    I have read some texts on witchcraft, more history then modern practice. Farrar wrote about gardner, and his path and some of it echoed and some rang false. I seem unable to say the name cerrunos aloud, it is difficult to even write it by hand, dont know why.

    I understand the pentacle and its derivative the pentagram to be holy, as is the circle which i have worn around my neck on a string for thirty years. I believe the star symbolizes a group of people, that together form a wheel witch is symbol of time and civilisation. I dont believe in the devil, not that there is one big bad one like a military commander or something. I believe there are devils, and that they mostly are territorial and somehow related to ifrit, not sure why.

    I despise christianity, and believe it to be based on lies. I admire christian culture as charity, literacy, cooperative socialism, and a sense of belonging that encourages civil discourse and forgivness.

    I do not honor all paths, nor do i believe that all roads lead to the temple eventually. I think many religions are foolish and wrong headed, basically uninteresting. The eclectic business appeals to me, like a jewel that broke and the little pieces are scattered all over

    I believe the world is very old, and humanity is as well, that periodically we rise up, then overpopulate then die off and that cycle goes on forever.

    Somehow i have to weed the garden of my heart, i need accurate information. I promise not to pick fights, i feel that this is a formative time in my spiritual development, and i want to learn more. This is getting long winded

    One specific question if i may

    Is there one of the modern paths that holds the Craft as being exclusivly for wymyn? That men are allowed to serve as guards and carry water, and "ward against the without" but not participate in rituals?

    Is witch a gender specific term? I was given the teaching that warlock is both mis spelled and mispronounced and it is rightly said as "were_loch", and that means "to change the water or to move or guide the water". It means something specific i believe it has to do with science or alchemy

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    Re: New here

    Dianic witchcraft is very female oriented. Depending on the circle, that shifts from mostly focusing on female deities and whatnot to full on anti- man rhetoric. My one experience with one of their events wasn't a good one. They discouraged women from having romantic relationships with men, there was discussion of how nice it would be to have an all female generation via in vitro fertilization, etc. That isn't a healthy or balanced path to go down.

    Witch is generally accepted as a gender neutral term in pagan circles. Warlock is generally frowned upon and not taken seriously.
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    Re: New here

    Thank you for your timely reply, you are most kind. Is the notion that wichcraft is mostly for women, and men typically didnt participate something from a few hundred years ago? I wonder if i got that stuck in my head from a person, a fictional work or reading something supposedly factual

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    I am looking for things that may not exist, in a place that may not be well suited, in the abscence of advice from trusted friends i will just try my best. Many ppl suggest fcebook as a rescource but it makes me feel icky.

    Speaking of icky, would someone care to share thier views on pornography, male masturbation, and whether the solo experience of these things is dangerous to the person doing it? Is that too inappropriate a topic? I tried to word it so as to be clinical sounding.

    I think i am doing a type of magic sometimes, and that the effect of it is to prevent new associations in the real world. Magic can be done inadvertantly?

    I have known feminists who were violently opposed to porn, but encouraged masturbation, generally.

    Sometimes i see in my mind something that looks like a rope made of light that eminates from the chakra points in front and goes to other points on the body, rather than straight out, it may be just my imagination, i idk
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    Re: New here

    Quote Originally Posted by Skittlebisquit View Post
    Thank you for your timely reply, you are most kind. Is the notion that wichcraft is mostly for women, and men typically didnt participate something from a few hundred years ago? I wonder if i got that stuck in my head from a person, a fictional work or reading something supposedly factual
    Thinking back over fourty or so years, I suggest this: Most wiccan groups that I knew of (this is already post-Gardnerian, and early New Age-ish) were based on an ancient archetype of an eternal queen, with a dieing and reborn consort-son. Whether this is female centered or not is subject to a lot of discussion, but since people living on the mushy edge of religion tend to mingle and mix with other mushy edges, a lot of wiccans with feminist leanings did interpret the archetype as female centered.

    Speaking of icky, would someone care to share thier views on pornography, male masturbation, and whether the solo experience of these things is dangerous to the person doing it? Is that too inappropriate a topic? I tried to word it so as to be clinical sounding.
    Not dangerous. Not even a little.

    There is an adult section. If the moderators think it needs to be moved, they will.

    I have known feminists who were violently opposed to porn, but encouraged masturbation, generally.
    Not their business. If you think someone won't approve of your private life, keep your private life private.

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    Re: New here

    Corbin has said most of what I'd bother to but a few points

    Quote Originally Posted by Skittlebisquit View Post

    Speaking of icky, would someone care to share thier views on pornography, male masturbation, and whether the solo experience of these things is dangerous to the person doing it? Is that too inappropriate a topic? I tried to word it so as to be clinical sounding.
    If you want to discuss the legality of, morality of, or health concerns (physical or psychological) of porn or masturbation then the discussion can probably occur in general forums. This position is subject to revision if Thal or Juni disagree with me or based upon the exact nature of the discussion and the judgement of any viewing staff member. If the topic is deemed to be acceptable for discussion but not for public boards then it will be moved to the adult forum which is 18+ and requires staff approval to access.

    Regarding porn specifically, as a matter of policy, PF will not host it either in general or in adult. It can be discussed with varying degrees of freedom depending on where you are on the site but adult pictures and videos will be eliminated pretty much on sight by any wandering staff member.

    I have known feminists who were violently opposed to porn, but encouraged masturbation, generally.
    You can find people who are violently opposed to just about anything without working overly hard at it. Without knowing the specific arguments, I'm not going to exert myself trying to answer them right now. My default position on porn is that as long as all involved parties are informed, consenting adults then I don't have an objection. If any of the three qualifiers of informed, consenting and adult are missing then I tend to treat it as evidence that someone belongs in an 8 by 10 cell for a significant span of time.
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    Thank you for your kindness in sharing your knowledge with me, you are all very generous.

    I would not ever post lewd imagery to a public forum, have no fear of that. My concern was basically about whether solo masturbation could qualify as sex magic, and i dont think it can.

    I was surprised to see issues of the left hand path here, and found it to be interesting to read about. I wonder about psychic vampirism, is it always considered to be ethically wrong? It seems to me that the vampire might well be drawing something out of the person that is like pus, or bile(corruption). That perhaps the so called victim benefits from what was removed. Are there any articles that might deal with psychic vampirism in a favorable light such as this?

    I met a woman apparently by chance some time ago,( i believe the meeting was contrived) who claims to be a pagan witch. She says that she conspires with demons or speaks with them somehow. She also says that she is the leader of a coven, and that she has practiced rituals in public, as a performance art. She claimed that put her at odds with "the local pagan community" I thought that witches were mainly discrete, and that many kept the craft a secret. Do witches typically do ritual in public?

    Can you reccomend articles that describe basic spheres of protection about oneself? Like beginner practice exercises?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skittlebisquit View Post
    Thank you for your kindness in sharing your knowledge with me, you are all very generous.

    I would not ever post lewd imagery to a public forum, have no fear of that. My concern was basically about whether solo masturbation could qualify as sex magic, and i dont think it can.
    Answers to this will vary wildly based on what you think magic is and whether you think there's anything inherently special about sex magic.

    I was surprised to see issues of the left hand path here, and found it to be interesting to read about. I wonder about psychic vampirism, is it always considered to be ethically wrong? It seems to me that the vampire might well be drawing something out of the person that is like pus, or bile(corruption). That perhaps the so called victim benefits from what was removed. Are there any articles that might deal with psychic vampirism in a favorable light such as this?
    Few things are considered to be always ethically wrong. That said, the last time I saw any serious defense given to psychic vampirism, it was more an argument that people tended to give off a lot of excess energy that could be harvested with minimal to no effect on the other party. Granted, that discussion was also almost ten years ago and I don't know if any positions have changed as I pay very little attention to vampirism outside the context of fiction and gaming.

    I met a woman apparently by chance some time ago,( i believe the meeting was contrived) who claims to be a pagan witch. She says that she conspires with demons or speaks with them somehow. She also says that she is the leader of a coven, and that she has practiced rituals in public, as a performance art. She claimed that put her at odds with "the local pagan community" I thought that witches were mainly discrete, and that many kept the craft a secret. Do witches typically do ritual in public?
    So, this provides a wonderful intro into the most important thing to remember when dealing with Paganism/Witchcraft/the occult/Wicca/etc...

    There are a metric ****ton of varying opinions held by people who don't always get along with each other. How secretive witches are will vary widely based on which group of witches you are dealing with. It is distinctly feasible that a pagan of one tradition has managed to irritate local pagans of another tradition due to public rituals. It's also possible that said individual annoyed them for some other reason and is tailoring the story to make themselves look better. Hell it's possible that both sides of that dispute care entirely too much about meaningless crap and should grow up and let bygones be bygones. I don't know the parties involved. I do know that asking ten different pagans the same question can occasionally get you up to 15 different answers.

    Can you reccomend articles that describe basic spheres of protection about oneself? Like beginner practice exercises?

    May you hear sweet songs, and smile...
    I'm gonna leave this one alone for a while. We have book lists scattered about and I may track one down at some point but there are members who may have more specific recommendations so I'm gonna give this a few days and see if anyone else comments.
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    Yoda told stories, and ate, and cried, and laughed: and the Padawans saw that life itself was a lightsaber in his hands; even in the face of treachery and death and hopes gone cold, he burned like a candle in the darkness. Like a star shining in the black eternity of space.

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    "But those men who know anything at all about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun." Suddenly his voice sounded to Will very strong, and very Welsh. "At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else..."

    John Rowlands, The Grey King by Susan Cooper

    "You come from the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve", said Aslan. "And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth; be content."

    Aslan, Prince Caspian by CS Lewis



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    LOL yeah, pagans advertise open minds, but they practice it like everybody else: "I'm right , you're wrong, and oh, by the way, this is a shiv."

    But since all cohorts do that, pagans are no worse than others, but no better, either.
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    Thank you, both

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    This is embarrasing. I am stuck in the full page view, but i have a small screen and cant figure out how to switch it back to a mobile friendly view. I tried to send a msg to ? But i cant see it well. Please help me switch the view back to a mobile friendly one.

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    Please disregard last post, i finally figured it out. Its at the bottom, it is for choosing skins, it says mint. Select that then choose default mobile

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