Results 1 to 4 of 4

Thread: Anti-Semitic?

  1. #1
    The Gaze of the Abyss B. de Corbin's Avatar
    Reputation
    Join Date
    Feb 2007
    Posts
    8,666
    Religion
    Alchemist and Neo-American Redneck Buddhist
    Location
    Frozen Northern Michigan, near Thunder Bay
    Phrase
    Where are the tweezers?

    Anti-Semitic?

    Is criticism is the Jewish nation, Israel, anti-Semitic?
    Every moment of a life is a horrible tragedy, a slapstick comedy, dark nihilism, golden illumination, or nothing at all; depending on how we write the story we tell ourselves.

  2. #2
    PF Ordo Hereticus MaskedOne's Avatar
    Reputation
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    Posts
    8,117
    Religion
    Jedi
    Location
    elsewhere
    Phrase
    The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Force.

    Re: Anti-Semitic?

    No. Israel is a state made up of people. Like all states made up of people, it will at times indulge in idiotic and/or immoral behavior. Calling them on it is no more or less special than calling the US or the UK out on their bouts of stupidity/immorality. Anti-semites will criticize Israel but accusing everyone who criticizes Israel of being anti-Semitic does no favors to anyone except politicians and lobbyists trying to rally support with cheap tricks.
    "It is not simply enough to know the light…a Jedi must feel the tension between the two sides of the Force…in himself and in the universe."
    ―Thon

    "When to the Force you truly give yourself, all you do expresses the truth of who you are,"

    Yoda

    Yoda told stories, and ate, and cried, and laughed: and the Padawans saw that life itself was a lightsaber in his hands; even in the face of treachery and death and hopes gone cold, he burned like a candle in the darkness. Like a star shining in the black eternity of space.

    Yoda: Dark Rendezvous

    "But those men who know anything at all about the Light also know that there is a fierceness to its power, like the bare sword of the law, or the white burning of the sun." Suddenly his voice sounded to Will very strong, and very Welsh. "At the very heart, that is. Other things, like humanity, and mercy, and charity, that most good men hold more precious than all else, they do not come first for the Light. Oh, sometimes they are there; often, indeed. But in the very long run the concern of you people is with the absolute good, ahead of all else..."

    John Rowlands, The Grey King by Susan Cooper

    "You come from the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve", said Aslan. "And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth; be content."

    Aslan, Prince Caspian by CS Lewis



  3. #3
    Newbie
    Reputation
    Join Date
    Sep 2021
    Posts
    14
    Gender
    Other
    Religion
    pagan
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Phrase
    I don't just make art to live. I live to make art.

    Re: Anti-Semitic?

    It's not a cogent argument, no. Israel claims to represent the Jewish diaspora, but there are many Jewish people who are critical of Israel. There is a Jewish movement against Zionism, for example. And as already pointed out by MaskedOne, as a Nation State, Israel is expected to represent its people, many of which are not Jewish, including Muslims, atheists, and people of all religions. Inductively, there can be anti-semitic sentiment towards Israel though. But I think that creating taboo around Israel could perhaps even exaggerate the mystique of conspiracy theories.
    Last edited by Tawny; 14 Sep 2021 at 16:43.

  4. #4
    Kick Ass Little Crow Corvus's Avatar
    Reputation
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Posts
    2,121
    Religion
    Eclectic Hellenic
    Location
    New York
    Phrase
    Because I knew nothing, nothing was beneath me.

    Re: Anti-Semitic?

    Short answer, imo no. Longer answer, it depends but probably not. Let's reframe this with a different religion adjacent political institution, the Catholic church. If I say that "the Catholic church had systemic policies that inhibit the rights and advancement of women in their organization," this is not anti-catholic because it does not make judgements or biases against any people, but instead is an observation or criticism of an institution's policies. The institution is made of Catholics, one could even argue that the policy comes from a place of Catholic culture, but criticism of this policy does not make one anti-catholic. Does your criticism of Israel derive from any specific Jewish identity, or derive from any bias against the Jewish people? Or is it instead criticism which would be leveraged against any political entity in a similar position? To what degree does the latter interact with the former in the policies of Israel, that is to what degree does being a Jewish state impact their foreign policy?

    The specific instances of the formation of the state of Israel are, imo, complicated and open to some level of debate, moral or otherwise. I am sympathetic to the desire to form an ethnic state in the Homeland of ones people and feel that Israel has the right to exist. I am also however against bombing of children. Actually, im just sort of against bombing in general, but especially in the context of Israel's aggressive expansion.

    One could argue that the existence and continued aggression of the state of Israel is a continuation of the exploitation of the middle east by western colonial powers. One could also argue that Israel's profound military presence and "offensive defense" are justified both given the tumultuous political environment of the region and the persecuted history of the Jewish people. Neither of these are pro or anti jewish sentiments, but historiographic and political ones. While Israel cannot, and should not, be divorced from it's Jewish identity, this does not make Israel a voice for all Jews, nor does it make their political decisions Jewish in nature.
    “They moaned and squealed, and pressed their snouts to the earth. We are sorry, we are sorry.
    Sorry you were caught, I said. Sorry that you thought I was weak, but you were wrong.”
    -Madeline Miller, Circe

Similar Threads

  1. Are Most Religions Anti-Science?
    By Bartmanhomer in forum Religion and Spirituality Discussion
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: 20 Feb 2019, 09:25
  2. Atheism vs Anti-theism
    By Bjorn in forum Atheism & Agnosticism
    Replies: 115
    Last Post: 27 Jan 2015, 01:14
  3. Atheists and anti-theists
    By Ouranos Ouroboros in forum Atheism & Agnosticism
    Replies: 21
    Last Post: 22 Sep 2013, 06:48
  4. Anti-Humor.
    By XIII in forum Catacombs
    Replies: 10
    Last Post: 03 May 2013, 05:36
  5. Anti Gay app
    By Medusa in forum Catacombs
    Replies: 26
    Last Post: 16 Dec 2010, 20:05

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •