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    and so you sought to ask societal permission for what you would do without it. Amazing, right, alot to unpack. Don't get me wrong. I'm not judging. I would burn the earth for real or perceived offense - and have done so even when life hangs in the balance. So here we are. Wondering whether magic...of all things... is an approved use of retributive power. If you could bend the cosmos to your will, would you bend it so that the Bad People got Bad Things?
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    I appreciate the thought. Now I have let go of it though. Sometimes I think we become hurt. I often believe in karma. Some people don't and that's fine, but it is my thought that what you send out comes back to you. So that is my thought.
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    Witches do not forgive, they seek vengence. As to "ethical cursing" what is that? Ethics have nothing to do with it. If you cross a witch then you pay...and pay...and pay.

    The power is to be used to strike down one's enemies or to aide those who follow and are loyal...no ethics about it just the way it is and the way it's always been.

    Today's white witches and bored housewives pretending to have the power and thinking they understand the old ways make me ill.

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    Re: Is there such a thing as ethical cursing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wicca View Post
    Witches do not forgive, they seek vengence. As to "ethical cursing" what is that? Ethics have nothing to do with it. If you cross a witch then you pay...and pay...and pay.

    The power is to be used to strike down one's enemies or to aide those who follow and are loyal...no ethics about it just the way it is and the way it's always been.

    Today's white witches and bored housewives pretending to have the power and thinking they understand the old ways make me ill.
    You intrigue me. Your profile indicates your Wiccan yet the few posts you have would suggest something more like Traditional Witchcraft, perhaps even BTW (British Traditional Wicca). Yet definitely not Americanized Wicca. I might have to check out your site.

    In a few ways you remind me of Laurie Cabot's perspective on things. But she definitely was not Wiccan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anubisa View Post
    Hey everyone,

    So I am going to try to make this short as possible. The reason I am asking about this is because of something that recently happened to me. Now, anyone who knows me will know that I am not big on cursing people or causing harm to anyone. However, I have a bit of an issue that I am asking about. Recently I was fired from my job at Longhorn Steakhouse. I feel that it was because of discrimination. I was what you call a Server's Assistant. I sat people and also cleared tables to help the servers. So it was an ok job for the most part. I liked most of the employees and clicked with a few of the employees. Anyway, I fell on the first week and I felt that because of this that one of the managers started to discriminate me. Then then stuck me with a really mean 16 year old who happens to be a server assistant trainer. The first time he did this I was going to leave and quit, but stuck it through. It was Friday when I had to go back to work and had a really rough day with this same guy. I had to leave early due to the fact that I could no longer take it. This guy treated me and some others like dirt and acted like he was a god on high if you know what I mean. Anyway, the work environment is toxic and I already tried to go through some legal action. I can't really take it to court because I don't have evidence. However, I want to make sure that they receive karma. I don't want to hurt anyone, but I want them to receive what they deserve. I hope this makes sense and I also hope that I don't sound like I want to get revenge. I don't. I just want those who have done to me and others get some sort of karma in return.
    I've followed this thread for a bit but refrained from providing an answer.

    Do I believe in curses? Yes for certain
    Will I employ a curse? Again Yes if the situation warrants.

    Yet in my humble opinion what you described does not meet the criteria to warrant a curse. In this I agree with what MaskedOne wrote earlier. "You aren't describing a determine threat.."

    Even your reference to desiring they receive Karma is not truly how Karmic return actions work. Realistically Karma might reward them with a value vice a loss. You do not know what their karmic pathway is or what has been determined to occur. Inversely, you do not know nor perhaps recognized what your own karmic pathway is putting in your way.

    To play devils advocate here your previous work history has not exactly been error free. In many ways I wonder if this is not a karmic return on you telling you to step it up and grow. Working with imposing personalities is a common situation in many job fields. Even the idea of age being a contributing factor seems to be at play here. Even if only from your perspective of being older than them (him) so warranting a difference sense or level of respect.

    Do you have a reasonable cause? From what you've said I would say no. Your situation reminds me of a situation I found myself in years ago. I was assigned to train a person who was older and senior to me. I was sort the final straw in his pipeline of training and told by a more senior person to get him trained regardless of how I did it. My trainee resisted and tried to use rank and age to limit my attempts. Yet in the final analysis I was put in charge of training him and was being held accountable to achieve that goal.

    Your in the same boat only your in the trainee's position. The 16 year old was put in a position to train you and use whatever force / motivation required to achieve that goal. Unless there is some serious nepotism at play his superiors placed him in that position and said to get it done. Which would suggest he has some level of skill and demonstration of said skill set.

    One thing I've learned over my 64 years of life so far is that The Spirit World holds no bars when it comes to insuring people move and advance. It can be quite painful or painless depending upon the person and how they act / react to things.
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    Today's witches want to fit into today's society...laughable. We ought to transform society not the other way around. We have the power not society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by monsno_leedra View Post
    You intrigue me. Your profile indicates your Wiccan yet the few posts you have would suggest something more like Traditional Witchcraft, perhaps even BTW (British Traditional Wicca). Yet definitely not Americanized Wicca.
    And one more thing, why is it that today everyone wants to put people into a box? You are this or that....I am me and I did not *BECOME* a witch, I was born into it with powers right from the get go. I need not conform to this or that to be what I am.

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    Re: Is there such a thing as ethical cursing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wicca View Post
    And one more thing, why is it that today everyone wants to put people into a box? You are this or that....I am me and I did not *BECOME* a witch, I was born into it with powers right from the get go. I need not conform to this or that to be what I am.
    Now your discussing humanity in general. it's not specifically about conforming or being this or that. It's about humanity trying to understand and identify how a thing or person fits into the larger picture / social structure. To understand what makes a person or thing a member of this group or that group. To identify those things that make us similar and those that separate us. To identify what we have in common and allow us to relate or identify with them.

    It's not specifically about putting people into boxes IMHO but allowing us to speak to one another and have a common definition of words. You identify yourself with the title Wicca and state you are a Wiccan Practitioner. Yet what does that mean in general? Are you a Gardenerian? Are you a Alexanderian? Are you BTW? Are you an Initiated or un-initiated Wiccan? Are you self-dedicate / initiated or were you from a Coven? Lots of boxes perhaps but it lets us know which things pertain to you and those that don't. It gives us a chance to speak on your terms and definitions as it were. That doesn't even touch on what degree / level you might be. Whether your an ordained person within a given pathway or whether you eclectic. Whether you have a lineage to a certain group or hive from that group. It's like if I called you a Cowan would you even know what that is / was?

    I'll avoid the discussion of whether one is a hereditary witch or natural born versus a self made person.
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    Hmmm. You are of the age of long communication while I am of the age of 250 characters maximum. ......ahhhhh.

    Why do you insist on me being this or that? To Hades with titles and names. You appear to love order while I revel in chaos. I am nothing but what I am.

    Abigal Hobbs never died, she just kept being reborn. I don't follow the idea of being a certain thing...I am me and I have power...lots of it. All the new age Wiccans melt when they see me and quake with fear.

    That's all I need...nothing more.
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    Re: Is there such a thing as ethical cursing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wicca View Post
    Hmmm. You are of the age of long communication while I am of the age of 250 characters maximum. ......ahhhhh.

    Why do you insist on me being this or that? To Hades with titles and names. You appear to love order while I revel in chaos. I am nothing but what I am.

    Abigal Hobbs never died, she just kept being reborn. I don't follow the idea of being a certain thing...I am me and I have power...lots of it. All the new age Wiccans melt when they see me and quake with fear.

    That's all I need...nothing more.
    I think it's more that traditional Wicca is almost entirely opposed to your perceived moral stance on a fairly fundamental level, yet this is the name and religion you've identified with here. Wicca is also an extremely codified religion with initiation traditions and separate branches that have pretty robust history. You may not want the boxes, but for many Wiccans those are important boxes. Sure you may have been born with magical talent just like someone is born with strong legs, but that isn't the same as joining track or being accepted as an athlete.

    This is a forum, long form communication is fairly normal, especially when there's much to discuss. We're all practitioners that have been doing this awhile and so much of how you present comes off as posturing which we have seen before. I could accept you're a mighty witch, however power is not wisdom, nor is it useful in having any kind of discussion.
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    Whenever anyone talks about their magical powers, I'm reminded that I have none. It was a terrible disappointment to me when I was younger.

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